Hi everyone,

Currently looking at either a Pixel 8 or a S23 as a replacement for my Zenfone 8 that is slowly becoming a hindrence due to (primarily) the battery. I would replace it, but as it costs a lot to do that here and I have needs for a non-compromised water protection DIY feels like a dangerous option.

So S23 vs Pixel 8, what would you guys recommend assuming I can get either for the same price?

I like the S23 hardware a bit better on paper, but as Pixel phones generally are very flashable my anti-Google sentiments might (ironically) push me there.

I would get a fairphone 5 for the hot-swappable battery etc if they weren’t so expensive for what you get, and as Im buying second hand reuse is better for the environment anyways.

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If you own a Pixel, get GrapheneOS. Please give it a try! AOSP has not very many features, but GrapheneOS is profound.

I sadly have to advise against Fairphones. They make empty promises, include outdated hardware in their phones so they will not actually get that long firmware updates as promised.

Also, they are way less secure than a Pixel.

And they get quick access to Android Updates as they are certified, and still are extremely late at shipping the updates on time.

GrapheneOS can literally just see them when they are out, but still has only a delay of a day or so.

Fairphone is not a good company it seems. They are a bit more repairable, but their phones are way less secure and you shouldnt use their OS.

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Thanks, I’ll look into that you’re saying.

I have heard a lot about grapheneos but haven’t tried it yet

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But I haven’t heard anything that negates their ethically sourced materials or work force re Fairphone

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Afaik they paid slightly better than others but still basically the same

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Afaik, they don’t use child slavery, use sustainable manufacturing practices, they’re highly transparent about their labor practices and sourcing, strongly focused on environmentalism, and making things easy for their customers in terms of reparability and os customization.

I’m sure they’re not perfect, but they’re blowing away the competition I’m aware of with respect to responsibility, sustainability, trust, respect and service for their customers.

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