Scientists, looking deep into space, have long voiced their concerns that satellites are encroaching on their ability to study the cosmos.

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Well the issue is that not everything is black and white.

On one hand, these satellites can potentially absolutely wreak havok on astronomy, and our own view of the night sky. Nobody wants that.

On the other hand, in a few years, these satellites are able to provide cheap internet all over the planet, which would allow poor remote communities in South America, Africa, and Asia access to the internet, which is practically impossible through any other means. IMO, its worth the tradeoff. I think helping people is more important than astronomy, but I recognize that that’s just my opinion

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poor remote communities in South America

Ironically, starlink was used by illegal miners on the Amazon to coordinate operations and avoid policing.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/16/americas/spacex-starlink-amazon-brazil-mining-intl-latam/index.html

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Yes the internet is indeed useful to have

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Okay but you’re falling into Elon’s trap. You can’t weigh future potential against current harm naively. Particularly when it comes from somebody with a long history of over promising and under delivering. Since we pay the full price up front (loss of science, etc) but will never reap the full benefits promised.

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For instance: it could help remote villages or third world countries. But Starlink costs a pretty penny in western money those places lack. Otherwise they would already have traditional infrastructure.

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Do those remote villages even have the power to plug in a PC and starlink equipment?

In college I helped make solar phone chargers for some villages in wartorn areas. They would walk days to charge their phones and battery banks, then walk back. Somehow they had cellular service, but the power lines to their village were ripped down during a conflict.

There’s probably an exceedingly small population that is in a third world place with power, with devices that need internet, but are also without internet.

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It’s not a distant future, the benefits are already here and increasing with each launch.

I’ve been tracking a sailboat crossing the Atlantic Ocean the past weeks which have been able to upload videos to YouTube everyday, something that would be impossible without Starlink.

Of course, this specific use case isn’t important, just used it to point out that Starlink is already working well.

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To my knowledge absolutely nothing critical to Ukranian defense uses Starlink.

And again, what is niave is to not heavily discount any claims Elon makes. Starlink provides neglible value currently, what potential might exist is imaginary.

The best thing for the world is to realize Elon was a sunk cost and move on

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Most people value everything over astrology…

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Isn’t Starlink still heavily limited by the geography you are in. As in there cannot be too many subscribers in any one place because it will use all the capacity? If that’s still the case seems doubtful it will ever bring anything cheap to the masses.

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At least SpaceX restarted the cheap launch race and is giving us the option of heavy but affordable payloads for scientific instruments.

LEO junk will only get worse with time, so let’s start planning for it.

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which would allow poor remote communities in South America, Africa, and Asia access to the internet, which is practically impossible through any other means.

“Practically impossible” is a horrible way to describe it. It’s not practically impossible; the solution and methods are eminently doable, they just aren’t done (yet) because of cost in poor areas with relatively weak governments. Most of those areas will get reliable non-satellite internet in the years to come.

We can talk up the good of systems like Starlink without hyping it up as delivering something that is otherwise impossible.

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Sure, but you’re creating a false dichotomy to get to your conclusion. The way Starlink is creating its satellite network is not the only way to create one. Viasat doesn’t blanket the globe in satellites.

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Very well out! I agree about the trade-off.

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