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Yeah you’re not wrong, that’s why I put the “and/or”.

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I guess I can’t argue that they’re shitty people, cuz like, they are. That kinda dodges my point about ideology, though! They’re normal people and that’s what’s scary about fascism - they grew up learning to hate Palestinians and dehumanize them, and now they’re acting on what they learned.

They need deprogramming. Preferably in prison.

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I guess part of my stance is that my definition of a “shitty person” includes those who would rather outsource their thinking to someone else, whether that’s a political, religious, or some other figure. Although a lot of that does get down to good education (whether formal or not), which not everybody has access to. Even with my relatively privileged upbringing I’ve had to unlearn a lot of crap over the years, and not everybody has that luxury.

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Ideology is actually an internalized process. They think for themselves, they aren’t just mindless fascist zombies, but their ideology makes their thinking take this shape. It would certainly require a lot of unlearning!

Also, their ideology acts as a shield against the trauma of their own actions. Someone who snipes children needs that ideology to survive, because without it they’d likely kill themselves (or frag a superior officer, like sometimes happens when soldiers empathize with civilian victims)

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