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exactly same thing with star wars fatigue. just make good movies/shows and people will watch.

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And people seriously underestimate the simplest reason: poor execution. Phase 4 just had so many movies that weren’t good. The writing was bad, a couple characters or moments would be what you expect, but the overall product was just shoddy.

I think you could say that about almost every single Please 4 movie except Guardians 3. There was just a massive drop in quality.

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Guardians is technically Phase 5.

Shang-Chi, Spider-Man NWH, and Doctor Strange MoM were all great and Phase 4. Unfortunately Black Widow, Eternals, and Thor L&T were also Phase 4 and are some of the lowest rated movies in the MCU.

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Oh right, I was mixing up Spider-Man FFH & NWH.

Shang-Chi was the kind of quality I expect from MCU.

But I’ll be honest, even MoM disappointed me. It felt like they just abandoned all of the character development poured into Wanda because “heh heh cool Sam Raimi movie” and the America plot was kind of tacked on.

Black Widow, Eternals, Thor L&T, The Marvels all had the potential to be great. It’s like they just gave up on scripts and that notorious centralized quality assurance. Which I know is something a lot of people hated on them for, but I think the difference is obvious. Their centralized production over Phase 3 projects worked.

(We don’t talk about Quantumania. That one was unsalvageable.)

I hope they get back to the old way of doing things as Phase 5 progresses.

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Also, not everything needs to be a tracking shot. With bullet time.

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Are you complaining or promoting bullet time?

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Totally agree. The phrase “superhero fatigue” has been thrown around since age of Ultron.

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It was being thrown around before Iron Man came out.

A while back someone posted an article from 2007 using the phrase, talking about the “upcoming Iron Man movie”

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No I’m sick of the entire genre. Ubermensch above-the-law protagonists who are inherently better than normal people are the worst.

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Except that’s not the concept of superheroes. At least not usually for Marvel. The whole “gods among men” thing is more of a DC concept to explore.

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Nah, we’re sick of the genre.

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You’re sick of action sci-fi? Because that’s the actual genre. “Super hero” is just an aesthetic coat of paint.

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It’s not really sci-fi. Traditionally sci-fi has explored very philosophical or existential concepts, it’s not just about the gadgets. The technology is a lens through which to view newly possible conflicts. If the superhero aspect is a coat of paint, the sci-fi aspect definitely is. IMO they do have some relevant aspects of the superhero genre, but yes most of them are mostly action.

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