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What if they are actually a software engineer, with a cert? >_>;

I have worked with actual cert’d engineers on web projects, lol

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with a cert

Engineering isn’t usually a cert. It’s a degree. I have a Bachelor of Engineering, majoring in Software Engineering. There’s probably a cert level qualification in software development, and frankly it’s probably just as good at producing effective software developers as an engineering degree, but it would be misleading, if you claim that only those with some particular qualification can call themselves engineers, for the qualification to be a cert.

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In Canada the Cert and the Degree are separate.

You typically through getting your degree also become certified, but the key is while your degree lasts forever, the Cert has to be maintained and renewed.

Cert has a lifetime and expires and you have to keep it up to date.

In Alberta for example the regulatory authority is APEGA: https://alis.alberta.ca/occinfo/certifications-in-alberta/engineer/

I think even technically the license is also a separate piece of paperwork.

Degree: you completed school at some point

Cert: up to date on current practices, must be maintained, requires the degree

License: you are legally allowed to practice in the province/country and have registered. Requires degree+cert

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Ah right, you’re talking certification. I was thinking certificate, because “Certificate I – Certificate IV” are very common less-than-Bachelor qualifications where I live, usually shortened to Cert I–Cert IV.

Obviously the terms “certificate” and “certification” are etymologically basically identical, but their meaning when it comes to the type of qualifications they represent are significantly different.

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It’s a license issued by the state. As in, “you could go to jail for practicing engineering without a license.”

(Source: was on track to become a licensed civil engineer until I decided to do software “engineering” instead.)

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software “engineering”

See, the thing is, software engineering in Australia is engineering. My degree was accredited by Engineers Australia and had the same requirements as a civil or mechanical engineering degree.

Of course, it definitely is still the black sheep of the engineering world. In the vast majority of (possibly all) cases, practising as an actual engineer is no different from practising as someone with a different degree (like IT or computer science), practising with a lower-level qualification like a certificate, or practising after being entirely self-taught.

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eit

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