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Wait, but they already launched it without Denuvo. So pirates can easily crack the launch version without it, and only paying customers need to deal with the antipiracy bullshit? Nice, they took a pro-piracy hyperbole and made it actually real.

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DRM ONLY ever affects paying customers, ergo DRM is always unethical malware.

Also, let’s never forget how Ghostwire Tokyo had Denuvo patched IN over a year after release.

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Eh, I only meant hyperbole in terms of antipiracy affecting the pirates that had to figure out how to crack it. As a broad gesture at the fact piracy (consumption) depends on piracy (effort) to work

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I’m thinking this too… like what’s even the point of using denuvo if it’s not applied day one? The whole point is to delay piracy so they sell more copies during launch week (in theory), so waiting until after day one completely ruins that since you can just pirate the easily cracked launch version.

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The point is that they purposefully left (or created) bugs in the day one version that are fixed in this patch after you install denuvo

It’s not the first time they’ve done something like that, they broke another assassins creed game and leaked it to get people to buy the real copy, this is no different

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/935316-assassins-creed-directors-cut-edition/43146901

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Doesn’t this make it easier to crack the denuvo as well though? Since now you have a list of changes to look at for where denuvo is implemented.

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8 points

It’s not a day one patch, but day-1 patch. The game will be released a few hours from now.

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1 point

If non DRM version is given to reviewers, it will leak to crackers, unless you control 100% of reviewers you give a copy. This does not make any sense.

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39 points

That’s the thing: paying consumers always pay the price for DRM by having to jump through any hoops.

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There are no “hoops” here though?

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19 points

Sounds like they added it after the review embargo ended but before the game releases to the public.

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7 points

You’re right, according to Ubi the update on PC was ‘included in the 41.6 GB game files ahead of Oct 5’. It was a prerelease patch, not day 1.

Nice of Epic to start directly exploiting the lack of PC physical media around the same time people are talking about getting rid of disc drives on consoles.

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5 points

Epic? This is Ubisoft.

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3 points

What does Epic have to do with this?

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6 points

So time for those reviewers to send their version.

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1 point

😂 yeah if they want to get blacklisted and sued.

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14 points

Reviewers get games prior to release day. So it may not be so likely that you can get a working game without the day 1 patch.

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Yeah, but pirates won’t be able to get the newer updates/bugfixes

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Ubisoft does the Ubisoft thing - nothing new under the sun.

Refund, refund, refund. The only single thing they will ever care about is the $.

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77 points

No one fucking cares. This isn’t Reddit.

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24 points

Why, you going to fight them one by one, Jay and Silent Bob style?

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No clue, cause my instance has downvotes disabled and idgaf lol

Probably corporate bootlickere, why there are so many who feel like they need to defend the huge game companies I have no idea…

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Patient Gamers FTW

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I started Fallout New Vegas last month. It’s pretty neat so far, glad I finally got to it after … holy hell, it’s been THAT long!!!

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4 points

FNV is amazing. I’ve gotten all the achievements on Xbox and I recently finished another playthrough on my Steam Deck. Absolutely amazing game

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It’s okay you’re so late to the game. Mr New Vegas still loves you

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Or, just don’t play UbiSoft or EA games. SEGA sometimes removes Denuvo after a time, so they’re sometimes good ib a waiting list.

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Patient gamer all the way! I recently played dying light 2. Fun game but a year after release and it’s still buggy as hell.

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One reason I’m glad to be a pretty broke parent gamer. I can only afford to spend money on games a couple times a year at best so I have to be really patient and picky about what I do decide to buy. I end up having no choice but to wait a year or more to pick up any games I’m excited about.

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I’m happy paying for psplus and enjoying the free monthly games and whatever games get uploaded there. Aside from that, my city has a great library with a huge selection of games you can borrow for 3-6 weeks at a time, plenty of time to finish them.

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I quite liked DL 1, but reading the reviews made me stay away from 2. It’s not even about the bugs, but apparently the game is just meh.

Maybe I’ll get it in 5 years when it’s 10$. Maybe.

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I’m a patient gamer so I don’t normally preorder, but I made an exception with CyberPunk as a tribute for paying $5 for Witcher 3 (which was my first game of the series, I went in blind and I couldn’t believe how good it was).

I wasn’t even mad with the shitshow but I decided wasn’t going to play the game in that state.

Fast forward a few years, the game runs almost 3 times as fast (went from 25 to 70 fps on my computer) and they fixed a lot of problems people were complaining about for the DLC release. Now it’s ripe.

Patient games keep being right

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Pretty much the same story here. Finally playing it now, and I can barely put it down. It’s story is nearly as good as W3, and my car doesn’t even take random hard lefts off the road for no reason whatsoever in this one. Actually, gameplay is a massive step up in general.

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I’m glad to hear the game’s gotten much better! I purchased the game on sale but have left it sitting in my Steam library for a little while, knowing that it is playing much better means I’ll move it higher on my playlist.

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It’s because people weren’t patient that they were able to fix it

But it still isn’t the game they marketed it as

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I pre-ordered Elden Ring for a slight discount off of the launch price. No regerts whatsoever about that one. Best game of the 21st Century.

But yeah usually I get games well after launch on sale. Starfield looks cool but they can eat a $70 bag of dicks before I pay that much.

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15 points

I’m learning this the hard way with Starfield 😢

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11 points

Hell, I’m still on Civilization III.

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9 points

I just play unciv instead now

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Unciv is amazing, it’s insane that I can play it on my potato phone while my laptop struggles with civ5

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4 points

i’m still on fallout 2

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5 points

Both of you are rocking awesome games, so no worries…

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3 points

Wizard of Wor will never be dethroned.

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3 points

do you still have to force children into the game to have someone play with the Richard Nixon doll?

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Unironically the best entry in the series. I play 5 occasionally, but 3 all the time.

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I’m still playing DooM. Nothing will ever top it.

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1 point

Now that’s pretty extreme. Quake II was the shit.

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I play Factorio, it was more stable at 0.8 alpha than the average €/$ 60 AAA game at release.

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The only game I’ve ever preordered is Animal Crossing New Horizons. I knew it wasn’t gonna be horseshit on release lmao. I wait until games are on sale and have been out for a while. My friends keep harassing me to buy Baldurs Gate and I’m not doing that until it has all dlc released and is on sale lol

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I’m the same way but I bought bg3 because of how not asshole they are. It’s a great game and honestly worth the money. This is the first game I’ve bought at full price since games came on cartridges.

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My thing is that I wanna wait until Larian comes out with all content for it. I don’t wanna get the game and immediately have to replay it because dlc came out. I’ve done that with games before and replaying just for dlc made the game feel like a chore. I’ve waited since the announce of cyberpunk’s expansion to even consider finishing the game. I plan on playing that one once I get myself a steamdeck later this year. My gaming computer became a total turd since 2020 lol.

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Play Divinity 2 with your friend

Then go into DM mode to run a DND campaign or into the SDK to build your own levels/quests

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126 points

I think anyone who reviewed it should publish a secondary videos explaining this.

This seems like it’s legitimately false advertising

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Where is the false advertising?

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None of the reviewers experienced the game with Denuvo. Reviews are a form of advertisement (good or bad)

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That’s not how it works. Someone else reviewing your product isn’t advertising by you.

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Denuvo has an impact on performance for many games, so they artificially inflated the performance, and some people don’t buy games with Denuvo on principle, many reviewers will note that in their video.

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That’s not false advertising by the developers/publisher.

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If Denuvo’s claim that their DRM has no negative performance impact were true, then why Ubisoft pull this shenanigan (adding Denuvo DRM just hours before release)? Ubisoft must’ve know their game run better without Denuvo so they want the reviewers to play the drmless version.

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Everyone knows Denuvo’s statement isn’t true. There are hundreds of games with Denuvo that have improved performance after being cracked, compared to the legitimately owned version. This conversation pops up all the time. It’s quite funny when pirated games have a better experience. At least until Denuvo is removed to cut cost (it’s a subscription).

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