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It’s cute that you think they’re trying to save money 😂

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Here in California we’re saving the most money, by not jailing the homeless AND not housing the homeless.

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Leaving them on the streets is also more expensive than housing them.

When they’re on the streets, it means the government must pay for emergency services, extra sanitation work, police are called more frequently, etc.

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True. I should have said “saving money”.

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San Diego has entered the chat. I’m still fuming over that ban.

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Oh fuck what happened in SD?

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They’re making money on people being in jail of course.

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15 points

And get slave labor!

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If they didn’t want to be punished they shouldn’t have been poor.

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Hell at this point it’s that added with another nefarious reason. It’s because in places like the US homeless are on par with untouchables.

Our hierarchies are so segmented they may as well be castes: and that’s by design. If there’s a group as poor off as homeless individuals then it shows other “lower castes” that they better fall in line or get kicked down to their level.

Why not help these homeless individuals? Because it takes money away from the “top castes” money pile. It also takes away the threat of homelessness that the “upper castes” use to keep the “middle castes” in line.

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That’s adorable. I assure you, it’s actually quite profitable.

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It’s insane to think that the U.S. has private prisons. You have people interested in the incarceration of people.

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It’s a 10 billion dollar industry iirc.

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It’s all that profit that makes prison more expensive than just putting them in housing.

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I seem to recall reading somewhere that some homeless people would commit crimes so that they would be arrested and get free food and shelter.

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Honestly, as a non-homeless person the prison situation is getting more appealing in certain ways.

Food, shelter, less expectations… Life is a fucking grind these days and it didn’t really used to be this way.

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Always has been. You’re just getting older and getting more responsibilities

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Lol… I’m not “getting more responsibilities”.

I’m almost 50 and have lived on my own and worked full time since I was 16.

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For sure, that way they dont fucking have to work… Damn people who want evetything “for free”,

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Not in my area. They make so much money standing on busy corners that they prefer to be homeless. I watched one for 15 minutes get 8 donations. It was all cash, so a minimum $8 for 15 min, $32/hour, tax free. They are making more money outside Walmart than working inside Walmart.

Edit: It seams like a lot of people are mad that homeless people in my area are not committing crime so they can have a better life in jail.

I don’t know what to tell you. I never said they don’t need help or that they have a great life or that they earn enough to get by. I said they make more money than the people who work in the Walmart that they stand in front of. There are woods behind, and they all camp out back there. I have been back there, it is quite a set-up.

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Thank you for this. Just the simple fact of how low and humiliating it is to beg for money is enough to me… I always try to help the homeless when I can.

One thing that I have learned helps them is taking the time to have a conversation with someone that’s homeless. Treat them like everyone else… after getting put down day after day and treated like scum, having someone treat you like just another normal person can be extremely uplifting. Also helps one to see past the whole “They are just getting one over on the system” rhetoric.

My heart goes out to anyone who is experiencing homelessness… I wish we lived in a world where that wasn’t a thing. Hopefully one day it won’t be.

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Good for them!

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Yeah those greasy fat-cats standing on the same corner from sunrise to sunset, in the same clothes, unwashed, sleeping on a piece of cardboard, THEY are the real gangsters!

Makes me wonder, if they’re making that much money, why don’t you do the same?

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Moral of the story: fuck Walmart!

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But they aren’t making that at a consistent rate. Highly doubt it’s actually that in terms of average wage.

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They are making more money outside Walmart than working inside Walmart.

That says more about wal-mart than it does about panhandlers.

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What’s the point of this comment? Are your homeless people not poor enough for you?

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The point is that they are not committing crime.

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Although at least in prison, they’ll at least get a chance to get some medical care. Housing them won’t help there. This is why we need universal healthcare.

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You are way more likely to acquire an infection in prison (bacterial or viral) and have your health conditions ignored or downplayed than you are to get any real access to medical care.

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I gave blood recently. One of the questions they ask you is have you been in jail or juvi recently. I assume for the reason you stated above. I.E. having been in jail makes your blood less desireable. Not sure if they’ll actually reject you, but they sure ask.

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Might also be a more polite way to essentially ask the question “were you possibly raped in prison” as gay/anal sex is still something that prevents you from donating blood unless it’s with a clean long term partner.

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Absolutely, the US needs universal healthcare. But not everyone on the internet is American. Tons of us live in places that already offer health care, but still have a long ways to go for helping the homeless.

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Yeah indeed that explains the hilighted /fact/.

housing → just housing

prison → housing + clothing + medical + dential + psychological aid? + food + legal costs getting them into prison + legal aid + security + education + /basic/ recreation/entertainment (in some prisons)…

The meme tries to imply one cost prevents the other. Perhaps, but I guess I’m not instantly convinced. That’s not to say people shouldn’t be provided housing anyway just on humanitarian grounds. Housing is a human right (article 25).

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Sure, but I was focused on costs. In the US prisons are privatized. I wouldn’t be surprised if the private company running the prison charged for more healthcare than what they actually provide. Or if they charged the state a much higher amount than their actual cost. Prison privatization opens things up to all kinds of shenannigans.

Also worth noting that all the big banks in the US finance private prisons… which creates incentives to fill the prisons. So good idea for USians to boycott the listed banks.

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A large part of the problem is that many don’t want help. Taking antipsychotics sucks in a huge way, as well as quitting most hard drugs. (these demographics account for ~80% of the chronically homeless)

Universal Healthcare won’t change much since you currently can’t force someone to take their meds or quit drugs.

Chronic homelessness is a problem that won’t be solved by throwing more housing or money at it. It’s a super nuanced problem that requires changes at a societal level to address (which won’t happen)

A lot of people seem to think the majority of homeless are those who are just down on their luck, but that’s just not true.

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Having a stable home would already make it so much easier to quit drugs and improve their mental health. In addition, saying otherwise is the same as saying they don’t deserve a place to live because they have mental health issues/are addicted/whatever. That sucks. Everyone should have a home.

And this is assuming that people get addicted first and then become homeless, and not the other way around.

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You have already been proved wrong on these lies.

Stop spreading disinformation.

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“It’s more complex than saying a single thing causes homelessness” does NOT mean “that single thing plays no part in causing homelessness” Jesus learn some critical thinking skills

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assuming this is talking about the US

Putting homeless people in labour camps and treating them like slaves is unethical,

But if you throw them in prison first…

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Why? Everybody has to work to get food on their table. What makes you think they dont need to?

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