An Israeli military spokesperson confirmed that there were “hostage situations” in the southern city of Ofakim and the nearby kibbutz of Beeri.

Hamas said it had taken “dozens” of Israeli soldiers hostage and moved them to the Gaza Strip as footage emerged appearing to show gunmen in military fatigues leading a group of mostly barefoot women down a street in Israel.

The announcement and video verified by NBC News came hours after Hamas launched a deadly land, air and sea attack and fired a huge barrage of rockets at Israel.

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This is just fucking barbarous. There is so much hate and bad blood in this region it is almost unbelievable.

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Palestinians could say the same thing

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If you punch someone on the nose, you can’t expect sympathy when they punch back. This isn’t going to produce the result Hamas was going for.

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I mean, Israel is getting sympathy for punching Palestine for the last 75 years.

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You can say the same thing about Israel as well. They are long past peaceful diplomacy when Israel decides it owns their homes.

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It’s already produced the result Hamas was going for. They are not fighting for better treatment, they are fighting to cause terror, murder Jews, celebrate their deaths, and revel in their control over the poeple they supposedly govern.

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I can’t even comprehend how one could have the situation so backwards in their head that they could say this.

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With how skewed the power balance is against them, I support any effort at all to fight against Israel.

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How does this help them gain their land? On the contrary it will harden public opinion against them. The only person that benefits from this is Netanyahu. I’m stunned by the stupidity of Hamas.

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Hamas does not exist to regain land. Hamas is not trying to help anybody. Hamas is using the conflict to maintain its socio-political and military control over Palestine.

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I mean, afaik both the Jews and Muslims have a legitimate claim to the land, as both their religions have a long history of that territory being “holy” to them. The problem is that (understandably) the Jews only want to be ruled by Jews, and the Muslims only want to be ruled by Muslims. So Israel and Palestine are incompatible with each other in terms of government, leading to the issue that it’ll be extremely hard to get them to shake hands and govern jointly (which, imo, would be the ideal).

That’s not excusing Israel for the violence against the Palestinians. It’s absolutely horrid. Nor is it excusing Palestine for violence against Israelis. While understandable when looking at their recent history of Israeli aggression, doesn’t exactly make them look good. edit: this was written before Hamas just mowed down a field of concert goers. Fucking disgusting. If you have an issue, take it out on the cops or soldiers, not on the people who are just trying to have a good time.

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Ah yes, the old “blood and soil” justification. We have a term for people that think this way: Fascist.

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Fkin tankies man 😂

Had the Nazis had a hammer and sickle instead of the hakenkreuz, they would be the biggest Sieg Heilers out there.

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Fascism is supporting Israel, what a crazy thing to say.

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Barbarism, like all violence, is never justified. It may be inevitable, but brutalizing innocent People has never and will never accomplish anything of merit. While the origins may be understandable, they in no way justify the actions and in no way further the cause, but definitely impede progress.

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The fuck is wrong with you?

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People frequently feel emboldened to celebrate murder when the people being murdered are Jews.

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that’s fascism

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And what should the Jews there do until their land is theirs again? Or are only the Palestinians allowed a homeland?

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Look at Israel’s borders when it was formed and look at them now, and then ask yourself why there’s such a difference

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Or are only the Palestinians allowed a homeland?

Everyone should be allowed a homeland, but not everyone should be allowed an apartheid state where they’re allowed to oppress others.

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Just to clarify, you understand they’re all semites and they’re all from that particular region?

Like, it isn’t Israelite land any more than its Palestinian land and at a certain point, these claims of “it was ours first” just continue the cycle of violence, oppression and war crimes.

They are all both perpetrators and victims.

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Religious homelands are not homelands.

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Sadly, what all must do is talk to one another, respect one another, and work out a solution. Neither the Nyet and Yahoo brigade nor the clueless attack and hide while innocents are punished for your actions squad are working upon a solution. Likely they are the impediment which must go away first.

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Israeli army does this, Hamas does that

The people suffer.

Religion best begets violence as this just brings us closer to WW3

I hope the Palestinian people and the Israeli people can know peace in this lifetime

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After so much time, I think there’s no religion left in this conflict, only pure hatred.

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The Israeli Right sees the inevitable future; Israel will lose its Jewish majority in the next generation or two. Bibi said “Arabs breed like dogs”.

This is it. They may not get another opportunity to keep the Arabs down. They feel they need to crush and occupy Palestine because the alternative, in their eyes, is Arabs taking control of Israel and the Palestinians winning.

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Indeed. Maybe the West Bank Palestinians can avoid getting dragged in this time.

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Fuck Hamaz! The only thing that they’re good at is misrepresenting all Palestinians as terrorists.

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They have done incredible damage to Palestinians with this attack.

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It’s probably not even Hamas if we’re being honest, Iran probably just paid a Hamas branch to take credit while most of the people on the ground aren’t Palestinian but rather generic Islamic mercs.

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I think that in the face of an overwhelming enemy the rational thing is not to fight to the last man but to find another solution. So it’s hard to understand how palestinians would get any long term benefit. It’s quite the opposite. I think they are being used as pawns by other nations.

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None of these organized people are worth a penny, both governments, all the terrorist groups, they’re all scum, and the people suffer on both sides endlessly because of them.

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Slowly genociding an entire people and their culture for their land eventually pushes them to commit unspeakable acts of violence to try and save themselves? Interesting.

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You’d think after the atrocities of the 1930/40s they suffered they’d learn to have some empathy for others, but nope

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I think that if they had no empathy they would have exterminated them a long time ago. They have the capability

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How is this saving themselves?

Do they somehow think that brutal violence at civilians will deter Israelis after brutal violence at civilians didn’t deter themselves?

No, all they’ve done here is fuck over both Israeli and Palestinian civilians. Senseless violence and revenge where nobody wins.

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Gaza population growth is 3% a year. If the Israelis are committing genocide they’re not doing a very good job.

Words matter. The Israelis treat the Palestinians atrociously but it’s not genocide.

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If anything the attacks will always have a response so that a rational actor would think better the next time. That strategy at best keeps the status quo and at worst could end in their own extermination.

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See the apologists are on top of the threads again. You sound like Putin. The crimes of the Palestinians are inexcusable.

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How is what zionists have been doing any better?

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They’re not. Everyone sucks here.

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That implies Israeli crimes are excusable.

No, it doesn’t, but the fact you think it does says a lot about YOU.

Rational, informed people condemn both sides here.

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Our projections only ever reveal about ourselves, and never about the person onto which we thought to project.

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You sound like a spastic. I wonder how many Palestinian civilians the Israeli government has killed. They really do deserve each other.

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Self defense is inexcusable? Or only inexcusable when certain people deign to exercise such rights?

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This will only bring more conflict upon the people Hamas pretends to “protect”

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Self-defense against this little teenage monster, huh? https://www.instagram.com/p/CyG1HdsA5I9/

There’s no such thing as self-defense against a civilian who never hurt anybody.

These are not incidental victims while the terrorists target the IDF. These are the targets. They are targeting innocent little girls.

Yes, murdering and kidnapping civilians is inexcusable, why would that be excusable?

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