207 points

Apple: only implements a proprietary graphics API

Also Apple: Why does no one make games for my platform??

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Luckily it plays on Apple Silicon Macs beautifully through CrossOver. In the MacGaming sub users are getting 100+fps.

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It does, but Valve doesn’t spend money in taking any responsibility over it. Also I presume anticheat might not work properly.

In any scenario, the translation layer has a performance impact which for any competitive player is something that makes Apple a no-go.

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3 points

Actually, they kinda do take responsibility for mac gaming. They helped develop https://github.com/KhronosGroup/MoltenVK which basically runs Vulkan on Metal. The Linux version uses Vulkan, so in theory it shouldn’t be too hard to port, they just didn’t.

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That’s funny because my son compared CS2 on my MacBook Pro vs his RTX 3060 PC build we put together last winter and he said how much more responsive the game felt on the Mac.

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6 points

Is this true? Could I not do OpenGL on a Mac?

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22 points

They ship an outdated and unreliable implementation 😅 There are things that use it, but my understanding is you couldn’t use it in the same way you can on other platforms.

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7 points

OpenGL is a fossil at this point.

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5 points

Is it not still maintained and the simplest graphics API available of the big three?

I learned that OpenGL is no longer maintained on Mac. I understand it’s on a might work but no guarantee status and no help if it breaks.

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CS 2 isn’t on open gl

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Steve Jobs quite openly hated the idea of anyone gaming on a Mac because he felt like it made their products seem more childish or something. It seems like either nobody at Apple has managed to dig that particular brainworm out yet or have just decided that printing iPhone money makes all other concerns irrelevant.

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This is absolutely not true, certainly not at the time of Bungie and how Microsoft made Halo Xbox-exclusive: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2010/10/jobs-turned-down-bungie-at-first-how-microsoft-burned-apple/

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83 points

So…how long before Apple realizes that game devs are notoriously time-crunched and forcing them to target yet another proprietary graphics API is a stupid move for their gaming ambitions?

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48 points

I’m not convinced they’ll ever realize the problem with their strategy. They’ll keep half-assing it every couple of years and wondering why they don’t have a larger gaming audience.

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65 points

It’s because they’re addicted to their walled gardens. Everything within Apple’s ecosystem must be tightly overseen and controlled, with little exception.

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25 points

Yeah, they keep trying to bring their walled-garden approach to gaming and it just won’t work. It’s like trying to build another console in the current gaming market and unrealistically expecting it to take off.

It’s also why I think the Vision Pro, despite how cool and innovative the tech might be, is also DOA.

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Was CS:GO available natively on Mac? If so, this is unfortunate news for the small subset of Mac users who played, since CS:GO is now no more.

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Available, yes. Playable, greatly depends on how much GPU you bought with your Mac.

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8 points

That’s true for windows as well

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30 points

Can’t just chuck a 2080 in a Mac though

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10 points

Cs:go could definitely run will enough on integrated graphics to play comp if your processor wasn’t too anemic.

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1 point

I heard they’re offering refunds to any users who had the majority of playtime on MacOS although I’m not sure that means much for an esports title

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25 points

Damn Whoopie Goldberg gonna be so mad

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3 points

Can you explain this joke, seen it more than once guessing she was used in apple marketing?

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19 points

Whoopie got mad and called out Blizzard for not releasing Diablo 4 on Mac. I think it was on tiktok.

"This is what I’m asking you, Blizzard Entertainment,” Goldberg said, “This is Whoopi. You know how much I love Diablo. I would like y’all to let those of us who use our [Macs] to play. Allow us to play on the Apple. Take Diablo IV and let us do it and have a great time.”

https://kotaku.com/diablo-4-iv-for-mac-whoopi-goldberg-upset-blizzard-port-1850519443

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This is hilarious to me for some reason. Like, goddamn Whoopi Goldberg loves Diablo so much (and on a Mac no less) that she went and called them out on a public tiktok?

That’s awesome.

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20 points

Honestly? Kinda hate cs2. It runs worse (3080ti btw), most of my smoke grenades no longer work, they removed team deathmatch, they removed short competitive matches, and you can no longer play csgo. The more I play the less I’m a fan

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I get the feeling it was pushed out before everything was ready. I am willing to bet that all these missing features are coming later. Not sure why they didn’t just wait before pushing out the game. The smokes are just different, players just need to adapt to new mechanics instead of using the same grenade tactics that they’ve memorized for years.

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Yeah they haven’t confirmed whether these features are making it back I believe, but they really ought to and I expect they will too. Smokes Im fine with. Mostly just annoying since the game feels almost identical to GO. A lot of smokes still work too so it’s kinda trial and error to find which ones work now and dont.

I also find it annoying I can no longer see how much I damaged an enemy via console, but that’s fair enough too.

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4 points

The fact that CS2 feels, looks and plays the same as GO did was the biggest aim by valve and wish from players. This was the goal: Redo the game in a new engine. Thats what they did. We can argue if there are inportant features missing or not, but the same feel but reworked smokes is both a feature which most of dedicated players wished for

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13 points

At least you can still play source :(

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21 points

You can still play go if you want, there’s a beta called “csgo demo viewer” that can connect to community servers.

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11 points

Isn’t CSGO CPU bound for the most part anyways?

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1 point

Generally yeah but it still matters. I have a 5800X fwiw

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9 points

It runs fine on my Linux laptop, which has a 3070.

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5 points

I get dips below 100 at 1440p 🙃 time to install linux again

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4 points

Well now that I think about it, I never played CS GO on this laptop, so I have nothing to compare against.

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3 points

3080ti here at 3440x1440 and I don’t think I’ve ever dipped below 150 FPS, and whenever I look it’s in the mid 200’s

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I think much missing stuff is going to be coming. I think they just didn’t want to delay CS2 any longer. CSGO is still playable from the properties panel. You can enable a legacy CSGO mode. Not sure about matchmaking though.

On my 3060ti with max everything I always have over 200 fps, but yes, definitely not as fast as CSGO still. What fps are you getting?

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It seems odd not to have TDM from the outset. I somehow doubt turning off team damage or shortening the match length requires a huge dev lift. Maybe some surrounding infrastructure but still. On the FPS, I’ll have to check! It feels like a lot lower than 200. I only have 144hz anyway so it must be worse than that

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