T-Mobile switches users to pricier plans and tells them it’s not a price hike::T-Mobile: “We are not raising the price… we are moving you to a newer plan.”

116 points

I’m altering the deal, pray I don’t alter it further.

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9 points

No, no - that guy is (was, literally) the Verizon spokesman.

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3 points

I did not know that, that is hillarious.

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88 points

I’m on mint, and just waiting for T-Mobile to come after us. Nothing this beautiful can last.

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20 points

When did they buy Mint?

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44 points

About a year ago?

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25 points

Thanks for not saying “look it up”. We can’t seem to keep anything nice. We were just about to leave for Mint. Do you like it?

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78 points

T-mobile: hello sir we are calling about your plan and a way you can save money

Me: that isn’t true

T-mobile: umm we can save you money by changing your plan

Me: that statement is false. No company in the history of humanity has spent money to tell their customers how to do less business with them. They are paying you to call me and you expect me to believe that they are paying you money so they can get less money from me in the future? Makes no sense.

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22 points

When I worked for ATT, I saw a customer with a legacy unlimited data account. This was after they brought back unlimited data after years of overcharging people for data “overages”.

I absolutely could not convince this person to change to the new plan that was a third of the price.

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32 points

They probably had true unlimited, not the 10gb then throttling “unlimited” that’s offered now. AT&T has like 3 different levels of unlimited plan…

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24 points

AT&T has like 3 different levels of unlimited plan

“Unlimited doesn’t mean unlimited. Unlimited has limits. As a matter of fact, there are unlimited limits!” - Telecoms

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17 points
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To be fair, I would likely behave just like that customer out of pure fear of losing a plan I like and never being able to get it back because it’s deprecated.

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20 points

My previous ISP once called me to tell me that i couldn’t reach the speed of my current plan from my house, and offered me to take a cheaper package without reducing my speed.

My current ISP sent me a mail at the beginning of this year informing me they were quadrupling my speed at no extra charge. And they did, I went from 50 up/down to 200.

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6 points

What ISP do you have? Is it a local ISP?

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8 points

My ISP lowered their (already very competitive) prices for no good reason, so some do exist

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10 points

The reason is retention. For a company that sells a service where they pay a single overhead (like maintaining a structure) it always makes more sense to lose a little money and retain a customer if prices are going down elsewhere.

That is to say if your internet plan is $80 and they have intel that a local competitor has started selling a similar plan for $60, it makes more sense to spend 3 minutes talking to an existing customer about lowering their bill to $60 rather than let that customer discover a cheaper plan and switch to someone else. If they let that customer switch they lose the whole $80 whereas if they just lower that customer’s price they only lose $20.

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5 points

They are the sole owner of the fiber around here, you aren’t getting faster more stable internet for that price, no way.

I was paying about around $30 for gigabit, which is awesome here in the Czech republic. They dropped the price by $5 to $25.

I understand why companies would do it usually, but here, I honestly don’t see why they would. They’re offering great service for great prices

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8 points

T-Mobile has lowered my prices while increasing my service in the past. The fact that they don’t dick me around is one of the reasons I’ve stayed. If they’re going to start this shit, then I’m going to leave.

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3 points

And go where

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4 points

My ISP has called me and offered me cheaper internet more then once for the same speed I was on. And one time it was faster and cheaper.

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4 points

There is a plausible economic incentive to do this:

Reputation.

This happens less in markets with few, big sellers and lots of customers locked into long-term contracts (like ISPs), but it does happen occasionally in high competition markets where customers can take their business elsewhere easily.

Restaurants are a good example - where I live, a host might hand out a round of after-meal shots on the house to encourage a big table of uncomplicated guests to come again.

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2 points

That’s not entirely true. I recall a consulting client who had a customer program where redeemable points didn’t expire.

The thing was, this meant that inactive accounts with just a handful of points ended up costing a ton in accounting upkeep because they had to account for the possibility these years old accounts might suddenly redeem points.

So they rolled out a new program that was legit much better for the vast majority of active accounts to migrate people over.

Yes, it was still them doing something that was to save them money, but the new alternative was also better for the customer too. It was simply closing a loophole they’d not thought about when first designing it which didn’t benefit the customers, it simply led to procedural costs that skyrocketed.

So there are rarely cases where companies will spend money to do something in your interests. It’s just always going to also be in their own interests too.

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1 point

Yes, the good old “the more you spend, the more you save!”

AKA you spend more but you get some much more value that actually you’re saving (no you’re not).

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1 point
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I’ve actually had Verizon call me to offer a lower rate for faster home internet. I presume it extended my contract and somehow got the sales person a bonus but it still cost me $15 less per month.

Over the years, Verizon has increased my speed twice without additional charges. But not for the same price I was paying in the first story.

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48 points
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You can tell that this is just a cash grab, as opposed to a technical or administrative motivation, by the mere fact that Simple/Select Choice plans will be migrated to Magenta, while Magenta plans will be migrated to Go5G. So Magenta isn’t going anywhere for the foreseeable future.

Also, of course, by the fact that you can opt out of the “upgrade.”

I switched to T-Mobile a few years ago and, coming from AT&T, it had been hands-down a positive experience. More features, unlimited data, better customer service, better speeds, all for less than what I was paying AT&T. I even have a line or two that was added for free, no strings attached.

But then there were the many data breaches and the announcement they would add a surcharge for credit card payment. And now this.

Looks like I came on board just in time to witness the enshitification

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14 points

To be honest, I’m surprised they kept the ‘uncarrier’ image for so long. This was bound to happen, especially after the sprint merger was approved. I really feel T-Mobile pushed the big two to make changes to compete and now all I fear all three will go back to the old ways.

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1 point

What makes you so cynical as to assume with less competition oligopolies have more power? /s

Just like Microsoft’s announcement of the closure of the Activision deal trumpeting “more choice” for gamers. Literally just took away a competitor! Kroger’s purchase of Albertsons when we’ve all been dying in the US from grocery price gouging for the last 4 years.

Fuck the legislators, SEC and the courts for letting companies continuously destroy competition while mostly giving up things they wanted to anyway.

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10 points

They were awesome, but as it common at these compnaies when the CEO driving a lot of these changes left, they brought in some grey-hair bean counter who has been slowly rolling shitty-change onto shitty change. I really loved them when I switched form Verizon around ~2015 but I’m now starting to look at other optoins. Google Fi is currently the top of my list but we’ll see.

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4 points

Why do you not have laws against this kind of shit? There’s no way a company can do that to you here without explicit permission.

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45 points
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So dumb, they claim they are moving you to a new plan with more features. Here are the “features” of the new plan ONE Plus to Go5g:

*$5 more per line x 5 lines = $25 more each month

*Lose Kickback which I use on 2 lines = $20 more each month

*10GB Hotspot instead of 5GB in Canada/Mexico, something I’ve used once since I’ve been on T-Mobile

*720p HD streaming video, down from my 4K unlimited streaming passes

Fortunately, I was easily able to opt out thanks to the heads up from these posts.

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