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Trtworld is just Erdogan’s personal propaganda channel. Obviously this article is ok but I’m just saying

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Obviously this article is ok

In what way is this article ok, “obviously”?

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If you agree with an article it’s ok, even from a biased source.

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4 points

The protests were real???

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I haven’t really kept up with this, so this is a genuine question—why are people protesting in the US about something going on in another country? What is the goal?

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Because the US provides tons of money and weapons to Israel, which are supposed to be used for self-defense but are now being used to mass murder Palestinians.

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This, plus the fact that the US refuses to be even slightly critical of Israel, whether media or state.

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Israel has a fascist stranglehold over United States domestic policy. It is illegal to boycott the state of Israel. They spend millions of the dollars we support them with to interfere with domestic US politics. The state of Israel is an enemy of the American people.

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Thanks for the reply, I understand now.

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Yeah, no. If they were mass murdering Palestinians, this would look completely different.

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Isnt contraattacking self deffense?

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The goal is to influence the government to respond in a certain way, protests are a faster and more direct way to show support than sending letters and voting

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There is a 0 percent chance of Israel doing anything ever if they weren’t confident they would have US backing

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This isn’t accurate. They had zero problems trying to sink a US vessel as a false flag attack, for example.

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2 points

what’s like living in your world?

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Probably about the same as everyone else’s

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The American left has two sets of morals when it comes to fascists. They generally are against fascists, sometimes even violently, but Islamist fascists (like Hamas who control Palestine) seem to be ok for some reason. Sure, they say that they “of course are against Hamas committing terrorist attacks” but it’s a completely empty sentiment with no actions to back it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIv_6LVs0fs

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Here we are talking about living human beings and how they are treated. No one is talking about left or right. People are outraged by the continuous deterioration of the living conditions in a part of the world, that is controlled by Israel. Palestine is for a long time being turned into a open air prison camp, and turned 80% of its 2.3Mln population to rely on humanitarian aid. And if you find this OK, maybe you should seriously question your moral compass!

I don’t think that anyone is here defending Hamas, or rejecting that what they did is outrageous. But people are just not okay with what Israel is doing either, which can amount to blatantly committing systematic war crimes. Violence is never the answer and would only radicalize people on both sides of the fence.

I won’t even comment on how many hate crimes have been committed against Palestinians by the settlers or the 6-year old Muslim boy who was stabbed 26 times just now in the US.

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I don’t think there is a group on earth which had as many hate crimes committed against them like the Jews. I wonder why you don’t care?

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The only party interested in genocide is Hamas. And Iran.

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Where did u get this stupid fucking idea?

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Reality…

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Hm. They’re not very good at it then.

Looks like Israel is way better at genocide.

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Is that why they beheaded babies, paraded naked women before/after raping/killing them, targeted civilian congregations and killed them without warning? Wait.

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The Hamas attacks were barbaric and horrific. Israel giving 1 million+ people 24 hours to leave or risk being destroyed in a bombing campaign while cutting off access to food, water, and fuel is barbaric and horrific. There is such thing as nuance, but it doesn’t take very much critical thinking to recognize that both Israel and Hamas are commiting atrocities.

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It serves Israel for Hamas to exist. Everything Hamas does leads to the death of Palestinians more than Israelis.

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And everything they don’t do changes nothing, they’re slowly dying and have been for a while now. Their public image changed nothing, and it wasn’t about to.

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How does it serve Israel for Hamas to exist if it wants to eliminate them?

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Israel protects their people, instead of investing everything into trying to destroy the enemy. Hamas even digs out water pipes to build more rockets. As per their own propaganda Video, no less. They are proud of that.

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So, why does Palestine still house and hold a high opinion over Hamas? A terrorist group just lives over there in Gaza Strip and Palestine doesn’t lift a finger to get rid of them.

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I don’t know if you noticed but it’s been more than 24 hours since they said that and they’re still letting them evacuate. Time to retire that talking point.

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Sure. Except “letting them evacuate” in this case is better characterized as “continuing to expel them from their homes under threat of violence.” I’m not arguing the 24 hour time period is the atrocity, I’m arguing the act of creating a humanitarian crisis under the auspices of a military campaign effort is abhorrent.

It’s not like we don’t have any good reporting on the matter either. The BBC for example has already been attacked because they refused to declare Hamas as terrorists (a label I agree with, for the record). [This article](BBC News - Khan Younis: A Gaza city on its knees, now with a million mouths to feed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67116403) provides some insight into the absolute horror regular Palestinians are going through right now.

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When Israel declared war, what do you think that meant exactly?

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10 points

It meant they’re gonna finish their 60 year genocide, duh.

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Two wrongs don’t make a right. Both sides have done wrong. Isreal has attacked ambulances unprovoked. Hamas attacked Isreal at a music fest. Isreal retaliated by attacking schools and hospitals (aka, people that had nothing to do with said attack) Isreal has been subjugating Gaza to sub-human conditions for 20+ years. The attack on the music fest isn’t justified but it is understandable.

Again. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

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Hamas launches their rockets from random roofs, stores the rockets in schools and hospitals. The blood is on Hamas hands.

Still shit when innocent people get hit, no question. Israel has their fare share of atrocities, so no need to “give” them some of Hamas shit.

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Israeli official says government cannot confirm babies were beheaded … - CNN https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/12/middleeast/israel-hamas-beheading-claims-intl/index.html

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You are falling for the propaganda friend.

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Propaganda? Have you not seem the videos?

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Which videos? I have seen the pictures they were trying to use to justify beheaded babies.

Spoiler alert, no beheaded babies!

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Is that suitable justification of a genocide? That some people of a ethnic group committed heinous terrorist acts? How many people individuals can condemn an entire race of people? 1, 5, 2000, 10,000?

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I don’t think any babies were beheaded

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Seems that one might be a mistake. But the rest isn’t, instead they did things like tie children and then shoot them.

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That’s not what was confirmed. Not all of the 40 murdered babies (from one village) were beheaded. At least one was.

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oh? do you have a reliable source for that?

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Woah if you didn’t include the two item, one cannot and refused to be confirmed to the point that White House have to issue a statement saying they just “heard” from the Israel Authority, and one you’re so undecided which is which, i’d thought you’re talking about Israel.

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Israel parades dead people, let alone innocent ones, through town with a cheering crowd?

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She is still alive.

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