I’ve heard of piped due to the piped-link bot, but I am curious about others.
Friendly reminder that Grayjay is only source-available.
FUTO Temporary License (FTL) violates the following open-source principles:
- Open source licenses must allow free redistribution. FTL allows license suspension and termination at any time, without notice, for any or no reason.
- Open source licenses must allow source code distribution. FTL allows restrictions to access the code at any time, without notice, for any or no reason.
- Open source licenses must allow modifications. FTL allows modifications only for non-commercial use, or maybe not even that. FTL dodges the word modifications here, no clue.
- Open source licenses must explicitly allow distribution of software built from modified source code. FTL forbids distribution of software built from modified source code for commercial use.
- Open source licenses must not discriminate against persons/groups and fields of endeavor. FTL allows license suspension and termination at any time, without notice, for any or no reason.
The FTL enables the following practices:
- Copyright holders can change the license terms.
- Copyright holders can re-license everything.
- Copyright holders can target specific groups and individuals with discriminatory license terms.
- Copyright holders can close source everything.
- Copyright holders can forbid specific groups and individuals from using their work.
My main gripe here is that the video sells a source-available software with severe usage restrictions as open-source. These restrictions may sound reasonable to people outside of the open-source world, especially to people who use similar wording in their own terms of service, but nobody would touch your software with a ten foot pole with a software license like that.
It doesn’t? Louis spends quite a bit of time going over why they aren’t fully open source and how they’ve arrived at that result.
I’m not quite sure what you mean? Louis calls it open-source during the entire “This is open source, but it is NOT free!” segment. But what he describes as open-source is not open-source, but source-available.
I almost switched to iPhone, thankfully this came out to show me why that is a bad idea. I just need to de-gpogle.
Wait, why would this one app currently only being available on Android make switching a bad idea? Seems like a weird thing to base a decision that big on…
This one app to use a google service stopped you from moving away from a google operating system? Lol
If you plan to get a new phone, get a Google Pixel and install GrapheneOS on it. By default, it doesn’t have any Google spyware services. It also has substantial security improvements compared to normal Android. It’s probably the most private and secure mobile operating system that currently exists.
Yow! that looks pretty awesome. I installed it and added the Nebula plugin… wonder if there’s a CuriosityStream one as well?
Can you tell what payment options they offer? I can’t find info on the website, and my options are rather limited. Thank you!
You can use the app for as long as you like until you decide if you want to pay. Looks to me like it’s credit card or cashapp at the moment with crypto and carrier based options coming .
For Nebula/CuriosityStream? I only remember I bought a combo membership near Christmas the last two years – they usually offer a year-long subscription for like $11 USD around the holidays. Look out for those, I really like CuriosityStream and find it’s worth it.
Web
For the web, there is Piped (github.com/teampiped/piped) and Invidious (invidious.io)
NOTE: Only Piped proxies your videos, which means invidious allows connections directly to Google to load the video.
Android
On Android, there’s NewPipe and LibreTube which are well known by now.
NOTE: LibreTube uses Piped to preserve privacy and (somewhat) anonymity when watching, thus you’ll need to select some piped instance with it.
iOS
On iOS, there’s the web frontends and Yattee (github.com/yattee/yattee).
NOTE: Yattee is on the AppStore, but without any sources/instances by default. Look for “instances” in the settings and add a Piped API URL, like
https://pipedapi.kavin.rocksto watch videos from YouTube with Piped+Yattee.
Desktop
On Desktop, there is all the web clients as well as FreeTube (freetubeapp.io).
NOTE: FreeTube has an option to proxy everything or just the videos through Invidious to preserve privacy. It is recommended to enable this.
Just want to add to your yatte this source/instance this gives you a lot of instances to start with so you don’t need to add them manually.
I use freetube on linux, newpipe on android.
GrayJay just came out into the testing phase. It not only supportsYouTubee but also Nebula, Odysee, Twitch, PeerTube and a few others with more to come. Works great so far. grayjay.app. Built by Futo, a nonprofit company which Louis Rossmann works for. His video here
Looks like a good option, unfortunately it would not run for me on an Android emulator in Windows. (LDPlayer 5)
If you’re on Windows 10 or 11 just install it natively with WSA. You might have to look up a tutorial. I’ve yet to have a compatibility issue
GrayJay just launched and it’s fucking fantastic.
It combines YouTube and Twitch into one platform in a really intuitive way. Has its own comment system and rating system for videos. No ads obviously. It’s a whole fucking thing and it’s incredible.
and it’s not free software. only source available with a license that doesn’t allow forking.
Which they could already do, with basic trademark law and just forcing all derivatives to be non-commercial. Cyrptominers are commercial.
So what’s the actual problem is? It’s just a front end to other platforms, they will not lock you in and than break the app. You can use it and if it goes bad you switch to other front end. I would understand the ‘not free’ objections if it was a tool you introduce into our workflow that would later be hard to replace. Here there’s no lock in. What do you care if it can be forked?
Some people (including me) care about software freedom. The ability to fork and redistribute software while continuing to publish any changes to the code is great.
Not using an open source license but a source available license is not something that I like to see, but it’s their right to do so. There’re enough open source YouTube frontends like NewPipe and LibreTube.
PS: What I really don’t like is them using the term open source. Open source is a well known term that’s well defined. Source available describes exactly what this app is without implying the freedoms associated with open source.
Except you have to give one app credentials for all of your platforms. It’s also 335MB!?
Time to upgrade your SSD because the new call of duty is 175GB lol.
What a fucking mindset you have on you there 💀
