Roblox tells employees they have to come to office three days a week or take severance package::Roblox CEO David Baszucki told remote employees that they’ll have to start coming to the office Tuesdays through Thursdays.

170 points

Take the severance package. If they are offering a severance package then they are already planning a layoff and are just taking volunteers first. Trust me, this is exactly what happened in tech this year. Take the package or face layoffs / gatting managed out.

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Going to hammer hard on this too! Happened to me a few years ago.

This is definitely the goal. And those “loyal” who stay have a dice roll chance to get laid off with nothing later down the line.

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This is exactly what happened to my dad during the .com crash. He worked for Enron, worked in server maintenance. Waited around as everyone got laid off because they said they would keep him, he was the best but not the most senior. Push came to shove and with only 4 people left in the department the higher-ups had to cut one more or take less money. They decided to cut my dad. By then the industry in that city was packed with Enron refugees so my dad had nowhere to go. We lost everything. Seriously y’all, cut your losses it’s not worth it. Just find somewhere else that’s more stable.

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Read the details first though and compare to what else you can find out. Some companies are sneakily reducing severance package standards just for remote employees. It may be better to just aggressively job hunt while still getting a full paycheck as long as possible.

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Could be. But it’s also a wise choice even if they have no layoffs planned.

Let’s say they don’t offer voluntary severance. It’s just RTO or quit. Lots of people will grudgingly RTO while they look for a new job. That makes their time of departure unpredictable and it means they’ll be disgruntled as long as they’re still around. Why not just rip off the band aid, invite these people to leave immediately, and help them do so? You can move on from that.

And maybe by shedding these people, they can actually avoid a layoff.

Paid severance is a tip-off that a layoff may come, but RTO is also a big fucking deal and I could see it possibly having a paid severance component even with no layoffs in sight. Possibly, mind you.

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2 points

What’s the benefit of VR over IR? I’d have thought the terms would be better with IR, plus you get to be paid a salary for longer

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1 point

It depends on the package they are offering.

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Can’t you just take the severance package when you get laid off?

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Severence pay is not mandatory everywhere. So you might get nothing if you are laid off.

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5 points

California it is. WARN act.

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At a lot of orgs, I think executive leadership are basically buying the service of assigning blame to the consulting firm if things go wrong. If that happens, they can tell the board they took the advice of one of the big consulting firms everyone has heard of. The consulting firm got paid and will still get business, so I doubt they care. Though they are certainly also farming out critical thinking at the same time.

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executive leadership are basically buying the service of assigning blame

My executive director said this in no uncertain terms. I had pointed out that some enterprise support was stupidly expensive, and that in my entire time with the institution, we hadn’t ever utilized it once. And in fact, if it ever came down to involving lawyers for breach of contract, the CEO said “no, why would we ever bite the hand we have to work with? we’d part ways first”.

And that’s when the director told me on the side: It’s a single throat to choke, something that can be pointed at and assigned blame, how to CYA at this level of the game.

Edit: And to clarify, a new SoW was being negotiated, and I was pulled in as a SME to advise on the technical aspects of potential support that we could possibly need.

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If that’s the case though, why wouldn’t the consulting company just throw the workers a bone since it’s no skin off their back either way.

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Because McKinsey wouldn’t want to follow that advice themselves. They want their analysts in the office where their MBA managers can micro-manage them and can make sure that they work 12-15 hours a day.

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3 points

Chainsaw consultants.

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90 points

This is a layoff masquerading as “return to office”.

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I agree this is probably an attempt at veiled layoffs.

But I wish I could understand why executives are so desperate to have people back in an office. It’s like class warfare or something.

“Don’t let the proletariat spend more time in that box they already overpay for; make them come to the box that WE overpay for!”

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I really think it is connected to the fact that many managers never had to think about how long something takes and how much work they actually need out of someone. It used to be, that if you stare at your screen from 9-5 you probably did all the work you could. But now they can’t see you stare at the screen and they fear they don’t get all the work out of you. For the first time management has to figure out how much work they need instead of going by time spent in the office. That scares them.

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It’s because they all have assets in corporate real estate, have massive amounts of debt that they just refinance latter and get more investors on board so they can ignore the problem. Now we have real pressures that would kill their inflated corporate real estate assets turning that balance sheet upsode down and they are in a panic because they haven’t been effectively doing the job they are supposed to. Fuck them

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Extroverts are disproportionately in places of power and authority and CANNOT understand people who don’t like being in the office. So if they don’t want to be in the office it’s because they’re lazy/anti-social/working multiple jobs. These extroverts are convinced that their preferences are the BEST way, because hey, they’re successful and that’s how they became successful.

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It’s like class warfare or something.

Marx was right

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4 points

One conspiracy theory I like is that it’s a measure against people working at two companies, collecting two salaries.

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