Grayjay: https://grayjay.app
Unfortunately not Open Source: https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/grayjay/-/blob/master/LICENSE
I’ll keep using NewPipe. Their software seems neat, I’ll happly pay for it, but no way I’ll do if there is licence like that.
Edit: They say the licence is only temporary. Let’s keep an eye which one they’ll choose later.
Louis explains the license in the video. You can fork it and modify it, but if you fill it up with ads, spyware, malware etc., they fill fuck you.
That’s their goal. They have good intentions. But it also means no commercial use.
You can’t do “Hey, can you add this feature to this app, I’ll pay you” or “Here is much improved version you can buy from me” or “We give you paid support and help for this software for your company”. Eventually all improvements bounce back to original creators anyway, see: vital paid Wordpress theme ecosystem, most of them being GPL licenced.
With project getting bigger such restriction can be almost as bad as with propietary app. Like, imagine Linux kernel but only with Linus Torvalds having right to sell computers with it or offer any services making money.
You can not modify the source code.
you are not entitled to use or do anything with the code for any commercial or other purpose, other than review, compilation and non-commercial distribution in accordance with the terms of this license.
“review” means to access, analyse, test and otherwise review the code as a reference, for the sole purpose of analysing it for defects.
doesn’t it allow compilation and non-commercial distribution? I don’t agree with the license (not free or open source), but I’m genuinely curious on what specifically doesn’t allow source code modification.
He accidentally sent people to a Newpipe clone once and that’s why they should have the right to kill your license at any point in time for any reason or no reason at all.
That’s only half the reason, let’s not forget opposition lobbyists abusing unidentified loopholes in his initial R2R drafts, which are very costly to rectify later both time wise and monetary wise, even if at all possible. The mindset of companies screwing with you is probably not something that is easy to shake off, especially encountering it each day fighting serialisation and other rubbish just to repair someones macbook.
While not ideal, I respect his decision taken with the license chosen, even if it’s against the spirit of what most people consider to be open source.
The organisation behind the app, FUTO, wants to take control back from companies and put into the hands of people, and while we can make the argument that FUTO are being hypocritical by keeping the keys to the castle per se, they have delivered an app that puts control back in our hands - removing the need to have a separate youtube, patreon, nebula and soundcloud app, alongside others, where you can follow individual creators easier on the platforms where you financially support them.
It won’t appeal to people who just want to watch YouTube without ads (go NewPipe, Revanced etc…) or staunch FOSS supporters, both of which are seeking other ideals from their media consumption apps of choice.
The kind of people who will be using this app the most right now IMO will be Nebula and Patreon users, this app is like a dream come true compared to the official ones
Technically open source in what definition? Not by Open Source Initiative definition (https://opensource.org/osd/), not in Wikipedia’s definition (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source)…
Public code on GitLab does not mean open source in the same way public video on YouTube does not mean Creative Commons.
Technically open source in what definition?
By the literal definition of source code that is open.
Better revanced = NewPipe
No algorithms, no Google tracking
i would use directly my phone’s video player if it was what i used youtube for.
I personally find LibreTube even better, since it syncs with your Piped account.
Yeah I’d rather not give all my details for multiple sites to one site…regardless of who’s doing it.
You took the words out of my mouth. I don’t even know who this guy is really, I’ve seen some of his videos, but having access to all of your account stuff is… nah
A 300MB apk file? It is on Google Play. No F(L)OSS license. Other apps by the same developer (futo) seem to contain no trackers. Probably nothing to worry about, but how many video platforms does the average person use? I look at YT and a small handful of peertube instances.
Other apps by the same developer (futo) seem to contain no trackers
FUTO is an organisation that wholly sponsors developers to make source-available, privacy respecting apps. They do other stuff too, but mainly this.
Like Shark Tank or Dragons Den, but for developers
You are trying to download the universal app that contains multi archs libraries. Try to download a specific arch for your device like arm v7 or arm v8. That’s half the size. The Play Store build is even more optimized at 41mb.
Edit: the version listed on their website has more sources compared to playstore which is bland. I would get the site version if I were you.
Y’all are ignoring what this actually is - an app for EVERY video platform. Also, restrictive license is fine as long as the source code is available. Rossman explains this is to keep people from just forking and making scam versions of the app like NewPipe sees.
A lot of the people complaining about the license don’t get this. Also doubly surprised at those saying they won’t use it because the license doesn’t allow them to redistribute the app with malware, or charge money for it 🤦♂️
I’m also completely baffled at the amount of people here who have never heard of Louis Rossmann… literally the dude behind Right to Repair
saying they won’t use it because the license doesn’t allow them to redistribute the app with malware, or charge money for it
They won’t use it because the licence creates an inbalance of power, so the creator of the app have more control than the actual user. An app/program is just an set of instructions how to do something.
Why not charge for it? If you just copied and not make anything new noone is going to give you money anyway, while taking something and selling after improvements is literally how all buissness always worked. Maybe except mining or haunting.
As for malware, I bet creator of malware won’t be suddenly stopped by a licence text.
They won’t use it because the licence creates an inbalance of power, so the creator of the app have more control than the actual user. An app/program is just an set of instructions how to do something.
A user is not affected at all by the license IMO, unless they intend to redistribute the app or code, although I do see where you are coming from with the imbalance of power thing
Why not charge for it? If you just copied and not make anything new noone is going to give you money anyway
Chinese clones do this all the time to all sorts of products, and they sell very very well. This even happened to Prusa, the 3D printer manufacturer. Their OSS firmware is being used in clones sold on Aliexpress for half the price
taking something and selling after improvements is literally how all buissness always worked
I agree. I’d rather give the original creator money if the person reselling/redistributing isn’t adding tangible value to the product or app, but in most cases (except the clone example above) people tend to add value, like yt-dlp adding a TON of extractors, or NewPipe SponsorBlock integrating a bunch of new features
As for malware, I bet creator of malware won’t be suddenly stopped by a licence text.
The community would also make it pretty well known that a malware ridden version of the app is floating around IMO, rendering it useless. And there’s also Play Protect which deletes apps it doesn’t like from devices without asking the user, like it did for legitimate copies of KDE Connect that were installed from outside the Play Store
