Their kids died after buying drugs on Snapchat. Now the parents are suing::Suit claims app features like disappearing messages and geolocating users make kids easy targets for dealers

87 points

Suing Snapchat won’t fix the environment that led to their daughter desiring drugs, sadly.

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69 points

Desiring drugs isn’t what killed her any more than snapchat did. She wanted drugs that were comparatively safe, and instead she got poison.

Why was somebody selling poison? Because buying drugs is illegal, and so consumer protection rules don’t apply.

The war on drugs makes drugs more dangerous. Let her go to the drug store and buy some regular-ass methylphenidate over the counter if she wants a stimulant. The pharmacist ain’t going to screw up and give her fent.

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Except big pharma will gouge the fuck out of any opportunity market and have people still resort to the street level junk.

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Just let people buy the same stuff people take for prescriptions, at the same prices they would pay if they were uninsured.

If you’re uninsured, a month’s supply of cheap ADHD stimulant meds is like $40, and that’s for somebody taking it daily not recreationally. Fancy patented stuff like Vyvanse costs like 10X more but there you’re paying for timed consistent long-term release, which isn’t exactly a huge concern for recreational use.

“I wanna buy some ritalin”

“Do you have a prescription?”

“No.”

“Can I see some ID?”

“Okay.”

“Okay. That’ll be $40. Since you’ve never taken this before we strongly recommend you take your first hit now and sit in that chair for 40 minutes so we can make sure you don’t OD and die. Fill out this consent form, watch this video, and give me another $40 for this one-time onboarding.”

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2 points

Legal weed in Canada has determined THAT was a lie.

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I think it’s a bit easy to blame the environment when almost every kid is going to test that kind of thing at some point in their teens. Watching your children AND regulating snapchat surely can coexist

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when almost every kid is going to test that kind of thing at some point in their teens.

How did you come to this conclusion?

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16 points

Being around teenagers in the last decade pretty much leads to this conclusion.

The number of people I knew who didn’t do some kind of drugs in high school (grad 2017) was lower than the number that did, and I went to the known “upper middle class white people” school.

This day and age has led to teens increasingly seek escapism and other, less healthy coping mechanisms

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pretty much every kid in my high school was experimenting with drugs 20 years ago. we all smoked weed at the very least, lots of kids did coke, acid. ecstasy was crazy popular. this was way before fentanyl though.

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The night he died, Alexander had told his parents that he had been taking Oxycontin he got online, and that he wanted help. Neville and her husband immediately called a rehab facility and made plans to take him there the following day, but didn’t think to take the pills away.

Clearly Snapchats fault

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32 points

“My baby keeps playing with the knife, instead of taking away the knife I’ll schedule some behaviour classes”

The parents next day finding the baby stabbed itself:

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17 points

It’s obviously the knife manufacturer, and whatever retailer that sold the knife’s fault!

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60 points

It sucks their kids died but it is more their fault than Snapchat.

You can’t blame the postman for delivering weed, it is just another package to them. And by the same token if someone seeks out drugs that’s on them.

Legalise drugs.

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-62 points

How the fuck is legalising drugs going to help from an overdose?

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54 points

Better drugs, more accountability, better regulations, better education, stronger supports funded by the Revenue from drugs.

How is this news to you?

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1 point

Motivated reasoning is a heluva drug

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-28 points

Because I don’t live in a country where drugs are rampantly abused like a past time? It’s a good thing you know?

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49 points

It said the drug she bought wasn’t what was advertised and contained a lethal amount of fentanyl. Legalizing drugs will allow people to get what is advertised and users are able to seek help for addiction etc. Users are going to use regardless if its legal or not. So being able to get help for addiction and buy it safely can significantly reduce the number of unnecessary deaths.

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14 points

Okay that actually makes sense and I’m an idiot.

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1 point

“lethal amount of fentanyl” whoever is selling those drugs sucks at their business.

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22 points

Let’s use an example from history, Alcohol. Is the alcohol you can purchase in the store safer than the stuff some sketchy dude will sell you in the parking lot? Probably right? Same goes for drugs, much safer when it’s regulated because making it illegal clearly doesn’t do a good job at preventing deaths.

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14 points

Street drugs are cut with nasty shit that kills people. Legal drugs would be regulated and not cut with the nasty shit that kills people. It’s pretty simple.

Also, if people’s lives and ability to get a good job aren’t fucked by going to jail for using drugs, they are more likely to want to eventually get clean so they can get one of those good jobs.

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I think people miss the point of drug abuse, most addicts are suffering from some kind of trauma, yes, we shouldn’t put addicts in jail, but we have to find another approach.

I was in the “make all drugs legal” but that’s just another can of worms

there’s no easy fix, we must treat addicts like we would any mental illness. I spent most of my 20’s in and out of jails, I never hurt anyone but myself, and was treated like an animal.

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13 points

Gets rid of any added substances, lessens the “forbidden fruit” appeal of drugs and implements safety checks so if you do OD or are worried you’ve OD’d you’re not afraid to call the ambulance.

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4 points

Harm reduction bro

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Lmao, what? They might as well sue phone manufacturers for giving kids access to internet and app stores where they can install apps that enables drug dealers to reach kids or whatever

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22 points

Except for

Even after she created her own account and found her son’s dealer posting images with hundreds of pills, Mendoza’s reports to the help center went unanswered, and it took eight months for them to flag his account. “It was really disheartening,” she said.

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Other problematic features include notifying individuals when another person screenshots their post, the ability to geolocate fellow users and algorithms that suggest new connections based on demographics.

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6 points

“I will ask snapchat to stop doing bad things, but I will not delete their app from my kids smartphone. It’s their responsibility, not mine”

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1 point

Wait, so the parent knew about this issue for over eight months and did nothing to actually get their kid help?

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2 points

Who said they didn’t?

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That doesn’t absolve Google or Apple for facilitating the download of the app where drug dealers frolic.

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3 points

Perhaps SnapChat files a counter suit on the parents for buying their kid a smartphone, paying for service, and not putting parental controls on the device to keep them from using apps that they don’t want their kid accessing

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3 points

Google parental controls shut down automatically after a certain age.

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0 points

Not much of a counter suit. It’s legal to buy your kid a smartphone and it’s legal to not put parental controls on it.

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33 points

Another sad example of the harm caused by the war on drugs.

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