this statistic does not account for Tesla loyalists, as three-quarters of Tesla owners indicated that they would continue with EVs.

Some people just like Elon Musk

21 points

Bad headline. The text says “would consider”, which is significantly different.

Furthermore, they don’t identify the study at all, so I can’t even go look at it. I don’t see one on S&P Global Mobility’s site that looks like the right one.

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Yeah, considering options is a sensible thing to do

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Looks like this statistic is being dragged down heavily by Nissan Leaf owners. The Leaf is a very niche car - not much space, horrible range, and questionable reliability. It’s not surprising that a lot of owners have buyer’s remorse.

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I’m not sure you’re referencing the correct statistic related to the main takeaway of this article. Nissan EV owners were the second-highest group after Tesla (63.2%) to buy another EV, they were just low on model loyalty, not switching back to an ICE.

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Ah I think you’re right, I was reading too fast and saw the very low percentage of Leaf owners who said they’d get another Leaf but they’re still on the EV bandwagon

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4 points

The battery in the Leaf isn’t liquid cooled either, so they don’t last nearly as long as other EV batteries

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Maybe, but I guess it suits certain purposes.

We’re never going back to ICE, though. Quite happy with our leaf, would happily upgrade to something else but charging it a couple of times a week is no bother

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I’ve been similarly happy with my Bolt. I’ve had it for 3 years and can’t imagine going back to ICE, except maybe for a roadster. I miss my Miata.

It helps that I charge at work for free, but even before I had this job is was nbd to charge at the grocery store once a week. I struggle to understand people who are hesitant to try out EVs.

How has the reliability on your Leaf been?

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I can’t think of any issues we’ve had, at all. There’s so little to go wrong with them…

They’re certainly less riddled with things to break than other Nissans I’ve driven. More like a basic Toyota in some ways

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12 points

Have had an Ev for a year. Would not switch back. I’m saving too much money.

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Have an EV commuter car and a gas minivan.

No way I’m going back to double gas, I’m putting 25,000km a year on the EV and less than 5,000km on the van.

I’m saving a massive amount with current gas and electric prices where I live.

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7 points

Still can’t even afford an EV to even think about switching back to one …

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I would not want to pay double for a new car to be able to do half the mileage and instead of just fueling up, having to find a fucking Walmart god knows where and sit in the parking lot for a half hour. Super inconvenient if you plan to do any long distance traveling

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I agree. This study aside, I think EV is still really, incredibly shitty for working class people who can’t afford it or for tenants who don’t have plugs at home and need to sit at some WholeFoods or whatever like idiots to charge up.

And I agree about mileage. If I had to drive across country, where there may not even be any charging stations available, I would not do it in an EV.

I’m still torn on whether I should even get a hybrid. I hear those batteries are like ~$10k to replace and that’s after paying more upfront.

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I would get a hybrid if there was one for the vehicle type I get that did not impact its capabilities. I live in a condo so unless our board gets much more cool I won’t be able to plug in. That being said I don’t know anyone who has an electric vehicle that has given even the tiniest smidge about wanting to go back. Quite the opposite. Now I know a goodly amount of EV owners but most car owners I know still have gas. Although I may not be the best example since by necessity all my neighbors can’t plug in as well.

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I don’t know about the US, but in the UK you can charge EVs via standard wall outlets. For a while I had the charger hanging out of a window from inside my home so I could charge it.

This made overnight charging very cheaply available.

I’m curious, not trying to convince you, whether that’s an option in the US or something you’d be limited by due to your condo/board?

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I know one person that had EV and went back to gas, but they’re a tenant and had to do the whole drive and wait at a random parking lot for a long time which they didn’t really like doing but also isn’t safe for them as a woman. So far the only friend of mine who had an EV actually.

Their lease ended and they said fuck it.

I still might get a hybrid because gas is so expensive. We’re fucked regardless, I guess.

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The class aspect is definitely something that pisses me off about it as well. EVs seem to be debatable when it comes to them being more environmentally friendly after all, but it seems like anything that is or appears to be better, ethical consumption choices are reserved for people with money (But also there’s no ethical consumption under capitalism obvs).

I’m fortunate enough to have been able to purchase a new hybrid rav, it was so worth it but I did also go from a 97 Mazda with peeling paint that can’t climb mountain passes and does like 17 miles per gallon lol.

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If you don’t already have a driving pattern that made having an EV convenient, you’re not going to consider getting one in the first place.

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