Hi,

I saw there https://askubuntu.com/questions/9325/what-is-the-difference-between-man-and-info-documentation that info is “better” than man because is outdated. Still right in 2023 ?

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The “info” thing was a misguided attempt by a crazed bunch of emacs zealots to usurp the rightful position of “man”. Probably GNU’s worst idea. It persisted in having some popularity for a decade or more but is now mostly forgotten I think. Despite having used Debian for the past ten years straight I’ve only just now found out that info doesn’t even get installed by default any more.

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Just because it’s theirs? I figured it would be because of an alleged gender issue, for the same reason some are trying to do away with whitelists/blacklists and the like.

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No, nothing to do with that sort of thing. The idea was that it’d be all hypertexty and therefore better.

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Emacs zealot here … can confirm we’re like this ;)

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Eh, to be honest, manpages aren’t particularly good as either documentation or quick references (hence the popularity of tldr), and info is intended primarily for the sort of long-form, comprehensive documentation that would be awkward to fit in a manpage. Also, texinfo documents can easily be exported to HTML, so one format can be used for both online and offline docs. It’s an admirable effort, if nothing else.

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Actually sadly remember python-docs provided as info document.

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I wasn’t a huge fan of manpages either until I got a kernel class at uni. The man pages for syscalls and library calls are super well made.

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I’d have liked it a lot better if it had been intended and used as a place to put the more extensive documentation that isn’t really appropriate for a man page, while leaving the man pages as they were. Instead, I learned about it back in the day by being frequently annoyed at missing man pages for basic tools, which had been replaced with suggestions to look at ‘info’ instead, which always seemed to be much less concise and have a worse UI.

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Can you provide any source that it was created or initiated by what you call ‘a crazed bunch of emacs zealots’, or that the goal was to ‘unsurp the rightful position of “man”’. Quite bold statements that are unlikely to be true imho.

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Personally I’m a fan of cheat.sh

For instance to get info on curl you can:

curl cheat.sh/curl
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I since switched to tldr (for the offline/caching functionality, I think?), but for the longest time I just used a wrapper function that did exactly this in my shell configuration. Something a bit like this:

function cheatsh() { 
    curl cheat.sh/"\$1" 
} 
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One offers info, the other mansplains /S

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Info is supposedly more modern, like a website. But it’s unusable and as annoying as emacs. Man is good enough.

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Why the emacs hate?

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I love emacs and I used it a lot with org-mode, but you need weeks to master it, and it’s a PITA to configure.

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You can find something annoying and not hate it. Linux itself is annoying in so many ways, yet I love it.

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9 times out of 10, what I want is tldr (https://tldr.sh/). There are a bunch of terminal interfaces for it, I use tealdeer.

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Please remove the exclamation mark before your link, you are making it an image that obviously can’t be loaded.

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Oops, thanks for the heads up! No idea where that came from

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