Where is telegram hosted/managed?
Honestly I doubt even delisting from the play/app stores will stop people from using it, at least on Android.
According to wikipedia, worldwide servers, HQ in Dubai.
Honestly I doubt even delisting from the play/app stores will stop people from using it, at least on Android.
It would make it much more difficult for scammers to reach victims, and dramatically stem its growth, but that’s not really what I’m calling for. I’m mostly just hoping that the world includes these messaging services when thinking about how to address and regulate social media and extremism, rather than excluding them because they misclassify them as not being social networks.
Honestly, that title made me throw up in my mouth a little and the article made it worse.
Not everything needs to be moderated and fear mongering because terrorists are supposedly using certain social media doesn’t help that much either.
If criminals can’t use a certain platform due to moderation they can simply hop to some other platform.
If terrorists are forced to pay a sysadmin to host a slow, makeshift matrix server in their moms’ basement, rather than having free access and unlimited uploads to a global network of 550 million rubes stupid enough to fall for crypto scams, I consider that a win for the world.
If crypto scammers move to some platform nobody’s ever heard of, and nobody uses, because it’s nothing but crypto scams, I consider that a win for the world.
It’s not incoherent to want to make the lives of extremists less convenient. I’m not saying we can or should bother trying to eradicate their access to messaging altogether. I’m saying we should recognize it as a problem and try to address it instead of saying “oh, wow, terrorists use our platform? Cool. Fun. Neat.”
Criminals also use things like public restrooms. Maybe we should gate those behind background checks.
But that is kind of the issue here isn’t it? Bad elements are not inconveniented at all by any of that, it’s normal people who suffer from getting censored.
I personally am not willing to give up any online freedoms I have, just on the off chance that it might be inconvenient for criminals.
Bad elements are not inconveniented at all by any of that,
… how the fuck are they not inconvenienced by that? Can you not agree that telegram is convenient for them? The unlimited fucking video uploads and built-in audience?
it’s normal people who suffer from getting censored.
Eh. I’m not sure what the real risk is there, IDK how Telegram is going to hear “let’s censor terrorists” and end up censoring normal people. And I’m also not sure having a post or channel shut down on Telegram would really lead to suffering, I’ve never seen or heard of a decent telegram channel… The best ones mostly still seem to be charlatans, maybe a couple for, like, companies or reporters that are just present everywhere, but nothing that actually serves a valuable role in society… But yeah, I don’t think there’s any huge risk of those charlatans being banned, if they’re who you’re worried about.
I personally am not willing to give up any online freedoms I have, just on the off chance that it might be inconvenient for criminals.
Like, it is objectively convenient and useful and helpful to “criminals” who celebrate after burning children alive by calling their parents and asking them if they’re proud, like, kind of goes beyond “criminal,” but yeah, they’re going to send the videos they took to other terrorists and spread them to checks notes spread terror, which is the whole fucking thing they do.
But also, you’re not willing to give up your “freedom” to share videos of people you beheaded on telegram? Is that an important freedom to you?
This post is nothing more than “think of the children”.
Rationalization for silencing people that OP disagrees with. Just call them “terrorists” and now it’s moral.
OP would’ve been a member of the Blue Police.
Rationalization for silencing people that OP disagrees with. Just call them “terrorists” and now it’s moral.
I’m sorry, is there another title you would like to use for mass murderers who engage in mass murder for the purpose of causing terror? Is there somebody here who agrees with ISIS, with their position that people who don’t love ISIS shouldn’t have heads?
I don’t think I need to rationalize my position that scammers and killers are bad and should not be given a free platform upon which to reach hundreds of millions of people with unlimited video uploads. I think that’s a perfectly rational position as is.
I don’t think opposing neo-Nazi conspiracies makes me a Nazi. I do think you said that in a weak attempt to shut down all rational discussion here.
Criminals use the www! It’s time for moderation to get serious.
It does not work like this. At least, it should not.
Why can’t we just better educate people on how to avoid online scams. Oh wait that wouldn’t give the government an excuse to legislate another part of our lives into oblivion.
And it’s funny how suddenly we are having all these terrorist problems it’s like something else is causing it, but once again solving it probably doesn’t benefit the government.
I’m all for better education, but there will always be people who don’t understand the technology, and scammers and extremists will always look for new ways to trick people and radicalize people.
Most of these regulators are just asking the platforms what they’re doing to combat extremism, not actively regulating the platforms. Regulators are, by and large, afraid of technology, and afraid that they’ll regulate it incorrectly. But by questioning the companies, they can apply pressure to make sure the companies take moderation seriously. The fear of hypothetical regulation and strong negative PR is usually enough to get the companies to at least try to do better. That’s a good thing.
And it’s funny how suddenly we are having all these terrorist problems it’s like something else is causing it, but once again solving it probably doesn’t benefit the government.
I have no fucking idea what you’re trying to say here.
And it’s funny how suddenly we are having all these terrorist problems it’s like something else is causing it, but once again solving it probably doesn’t benefit the government.
I have no fucking idea what you’re trying to say here.
That the government is making up the terrorist problems so while people are scared they can come to our rescue, legislate, and thus have more control.
It’s always from kbin.social, eh
The fool who’s rampaging around in the thread here, who also happens to be OP
The asshole who wrote the article and stands by it, how dare he argue for his position!
If you have a response to something I said, I’d encourage you to actually make it rather than just being a dick about it.
OP said something I disagree with, therefore all of kbin must be like him!
How childish. I don’t see anyone assuming lemmy users are all tankies because they visited lemmygrad once.
