kbin.social was the first thing on the recommended list.
Hmm. We could maybe use a bot on Fediverse that posts a comment with teddit and libreddit links in response to comments with Reddit links so as to facilitate use.
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Teddit is a free and open source alternative Reddit front-end focused on privacy. Teddit doesn’t require you to have JavaScript enabled in your browser. The source is available on Codeberg at https://codeberg.org/teddit/teddit.
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Lightweight (teddit frontpage: ~30 HTTP requests with ~270 KB of data downloaded vs. Reddit frontpage: ~190 HTTP requests with ~24 MB)
Awesome! Though I guess we should probably start thinking about spinning up new instances to handle the load if Reddit actually implodes entirely.
Served 13 years in Reddit Penetentiary, just joined here, hello
Yeah, the question though is if you believe yourself to be rehabilitated and ready to enter civil society
I will be thrilled if we end up with some experienced Reddit mods running communities or instances of their own.
It will be an interesting time for sure. I hope it can work out in a way that skilled moderators can be compensated for their efforts. It seems like donation-supported instances for niche communities isn’t too unrealistic right now, though that doesn’t solve the volunteer labor problem. Cleverer things will probably become possible as the technology improves.
Well it’s certainly a question of scale. I’ve seen some successful indie projects where the hosting costs are met by donations, but that’s usually when the admin/dev(s) are donating their labor. I struggle to imagine a community that could crowdfund enough for a few reasonable salaries on top of hosting costs.
Though my imagination isn’t particularly strong, so I would be delighted if such a thing came to be!
The last I want after all this is corporations to come and try to take over or spread ads and marketing everywhere. Sure, it will probably happen anyway, but I‘m gonna go to some instance that defederates from them.
Instance based communities sound really interesting until it comes to the matter of an instance needing to be shut down. I hope the portability factor of Lemmy gets better, because that’s an easy way to lose tons of valuable informarion.
The information won’t necessarily be lost, because most/all? the instances that were previously federated with the shut-down instance should have cached copies of its activity. Not sure on what scale, or how far back, content caching will be, but I imagine admins have (or should have) the ability to configure that sort of thing
Now, from the perspective of a user looking to migrate to a new platform, not being able to “take it with you” is a valid concern. Mastodon seems to have account export nailed down, but lemmy/kbin are still pretty new and might need time to implement something like this
We should recommend people sign up on some of the various kbin instances, listed here: https://kbin.fediverse.observer/list
My instance only currently has 8 registered users so I know I can take on some more people to help spread the load. People don’t need to sign up for mine specifically though, we just don’t wanna overload kbin.social
thanks for the list of the kbin instances! Hopefully we can migrate our accounts someday. Joining kbin.social at first has been helpful to me to not have to go through that growing pain of not being able to see many communities/magazines
Yeah no problem! I think that’s the link we should be passing around to people instead of flooding kbin.social (if we can). I’ve tried to populate my instance with all the top popular communities from other instances (including Lemmy) because I know that lack of content is a turn off for instances other than the “main” ones.
I think there needs to be an easier way to see communities/magazines across aggregators because I see the lemmy browse sites for communities won’t show any kbin magazines, which I think will only hurt the point of decentralizing but being able to access all the content in the fediverse.
I’m not sure if kbin actually suffers the same way, because I’m on kbin.social which I’m guessing just already has all the current lemmy communities added. But if there’s a new lemmy community, and no one added it to kbin.social (how would they find out?) then no one will find out if this lemmy community blows up and becomes really popular right?
On average, it looks to be less than 2gb of ram at the moment. CPU and RAM usage obviously will go up as I have more users, but it’s not bad at all at the moment. I’ve been pleasantly surprised tbh. I am also completely prepared to scale the server up if I get more users on my instance.
Edit: just a follow up, looks like I can scale my instance to a maximum two ways,
“cpu optimized” up to 48 vCPU and 96gb of ram
“Memory optimized” up to 32 vCPU and 256gb of ram
I’m a long way off of the max though now, my server is only 2 vCPU and 4gb memory for now
I’m running a lemmy instance and using about 700mb, up from 500mb before I had any users (though I have maybe a dozen active users lmao)
But I’m not using much CPU at all though. 5% average on a 2core VPS VM. 4 gigs as well. I can scale up a bit and still afford it personally. After that Ill have to ask for donations, and if not enough stop registration.
Looking at the recent Docker Compose commits, kbin should scale horizontally until it hits limits of postgres.
Its a really good candidate for kubernetes, if you deploy on AWS/Azure and use AKS/EKS with Azure Database/RDS you will be able to flexibly scale far beyond those limits.
I have been meaning to learn Helm for ages. This seems a good excuse.
okay the only thing is, I’m not sure if it’s a good idea to keep making instance names that don’t start with kbin.___ because then if kbin/lemmy really do take off, it would be so hard to google search for them. You can’t do the site:kbin.* search if those instances with different names make magazines/communities and you can’t find them with that google filter
I don’t necessarily disagree, I don’t see it happening though unfortunately. The whole idea with federation is for people to make their own instances or to fork the software from the original so they can do their thing. The whole idea being “freedom to do what you want.” Telling people what to name their websites/instances likely won’t fly with the instances owners
that’s fair, since the instance owners are hosting for us. The only thing is, I feel like the users might not know about this. I didn’t really think about it until a little later that oh yeah, there is no [search for something “fediverse”] google search, and we’re encouraged to join new instances and for the most part think of them as just servers to build the fediverse. I know I shouldn’t try to box the fediverse ideas like reddit, but I am finding it frustrating that the decentralization is having these cons.
They are two different types of software that can access the fediverse. Check out lemmy.ml and kbin.social for instance to see the differences. They can both talk to one another and see posts from each type of software. (Kbin can also see posts from mastodon which is kind of like Twitter) I’d say check both out and see what interface you like better. Since they both can share posts with one another you really aren’t missing much by choosing one over the other.
I feel like federation let’s this basically be what many want reddit to be, a platform by the userbase, for the userbase.
Exactly. Capitalist platforms will all suffer from enshitification. They will eventually have to make money, and users are products. Their shareholders will eventually force the platforms to extract money from their users.
When we are talking about enshittification, we’re talking about these stages:
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Initial Stage: When a platform starts, it needs users, so it makes itself valuable to users. It provides services that are beneficial to the users, attracting them to the platform.
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Second Stage: Once the platform has a substantial user base, it starts to abuse its users to make things better for its business customers. It starts prioritizing its business needs over the needs of the users.
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Final Stage: Finally, the platform starts to abuse its business customers to claw back all the value for itself. It starts taking a larger share of the value that passes between the users and the business customers.
That is, Reddit made it attractive for users to come and write content, and moderators worked for free, and Reddit loved that because they didn’t have to pay them. But lo and behold, they have to answer to their shareholders, so they came up with these restrictions to squeeze more money out of users and moderators.