It honestly worries me how many people roll their eyes when you say this. When it’s blatantly fucking obvious. Where are all the patriots to scream " THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE IS THERE FOR A FUCKIN REASON"
They truly unironically believe that America is a Christian nation and intended to be one by the founding fathers. I don’t know how they believe something with such a massive contradiction as if that’s the case why is separation of church and state something the founding fathers included. Doesn’t have to make sense to people living in reality.
That’s just the thing- they’ve got church-funded groups churning out historical revisionism in which the Framers were really trying to found a Biblical version of Sparta but the wicked usurpers got power and ruined it with their War of Northern Aggression
Reality? LOL they’re trying to replace reality with their version, which tells you to bend your contemporary knee to them
They also act like the founders are gods whose supposed wishes need to be followed unquestioningly forever.
Well, ironically just like with the bible, they pick and choose on that one. For example, 2A is considered to be a natural law equivalent to gravity by them, but the founding fathers also intended for the constitution to grow and change and be amended (eg: the ‘A’ in ‘2A’) but that doesn’t ever really come up…
The red scare propaganda really didn’t help by putting, “In God we trust,” on the dollar bill and the, “[one nation,] under God,” part in the pledge allegiance.
What was the propaganda used to include “In God We Trust” on our currency in the mid 1800s?
It helps if you have a southern accent while you say it. " oh so you just wanna give the state more power huh? You want em to have a say in our damn RELIGION?! Your the commie friend ".
If only we could get more people, especially young adults, to care about politics. Those asshats would get eradicated in the primaries.
A big part of the problem is that the damn DNC doesn’t have anybody worth anything. They’re all a bunch of geriatrics whose platforms are so uninspiring that the only reason people vote for them is because of how vile their GOP opponents are.
If there were no possible way that anybody in the GOP could win and two DNC candidates were running against each other, I’m not sure I could even be bothered to vote, they’re all equally bland and useless. They’re practically the embodiment of “business as usual”.
On one side you have a party whose entire platform is essentially “we’re going to burn everything down and in the ashes rebuild all the worst parts of the 20th century, from robber barons to slave plantations with a little neo-nazi spice for flavor”. Then on the other side you’ve got “we’ll slightly improve things, but not too much because we don’t want to step on the toes of the ones signing our paychecks, and we’ll actively oppose anyone who makes too big a wave”.
As a lifelong democrat, I have to agree. The DNC is running scared, just like the RNC, but for different reasons. And yes I could be called a geriatric.
But I believe the problem is that we need to stop worrying about stepping on toes, maintaining a status quo that has never really worked, and has always favored the rich. I think we need a real, true blue, dyed in the fur ass-kicking braying Donkey to shake things up and say, “to hell with pleasing the moderates, we’re gonna lead this nation into the 21st century whether it likes it or not.” We need someone willing to be extremely far left enough to shake up people and wake them up and get truly progressive on their asses.
But I believe the problem is that we need to stop worrying about stepping on toes, maintaining a status quo that has never really worked, and has always favored the rich
That’s not a voter problem, that’s an elected representative problem…
But it’s almost impossible for an incumbent to lose a primary. It was only like a decade ago that the DNC was openly threatening to black ball any organization/business that worked on a primary campaign against a Dem incumbent.
While they no longer (at least openly) make those threats, they still say they’re a private party and can pick sides. They can also use PAC donations meant for the general and instead use it to keep Dems like Manchin safe from more progressive primary challengers.
We need a fundamental change to our political system, because an insane amount of control is in the hands of private organizations beholden to absolutely no one with zero oversight.
To circle back to the status quo comment, the richest people at the top of the status quo keep giving a shit ton of money to those private organizations. It’s an uphill fight, because “winning” isn’t just Dems controlling the government. It’s also replacing the vast majority of them, not just in office, but the ones behind the scenes running the party too.
I think they get that, and that’s why they fight progressives in primaries harder than Republicans in generals.
Do you think a new party further left would gain serious traction, particularly with the youth? I’d love to see it happen but I have my doubts.
Yes, but it’s not possible with first past the post. We desperately need proportional voting, it’s the only way we’ll break the stranglehold that the DNC and GOP have on US politics.
Happened with Bernie. There are just too many middle aged folks who preferred Biden.
A third party will never work.
That’s why Bernie spent like half a century telling people that and motivating younger generations to get involved in the entire political process on a grass roots level. Then slowly replacing the people who are currently running the party.
If that works, then maybe someday that new party would have the votes to fundementally overhaul our political system and get rid of the bullshit private parties.
But until that happens, both the major parties will always care about donations more than anything else.
A new party will always fail in the US, especially when the choice is always against a party that wants to destroy the country
Blaming young people is a great way to convince them to vote for you.
In case you didn’t know… Boomers held the largest voting block for all but the last election or two. So if your gojng to play the generational blame game, why don’t you blame people who’ve been creating policy for the last 60 years or so.
I didn’t see anyone blaming, I read that comment as saying that younger people significantly disagree with the Christian right, so if we could get more of them voting we’d be able to trounce the generally older folks who vote GOP.
It’s a little oversimplified though. If you look at the demographics of the last presidential election, there were lots of older people voting for Biden and younger people voting for Trump. Not the majority, but the difference isn’t as stark as a lot of people think.
This. I wasn’t blaming anyone.
I really am talking about primaries. There is a huge gap between who votes in primaries and general elections.
I think that even Republican primaries would be different if they had to cater toward a younger group.
And all the people that have responded are right. Boomers are a huge chunk of the voting bloc. But they don’t care about us and they won’t live long enough to see the repercussions. Overwhelming them in the primaries would help us more in the short term. I’m not sure we can make it another twenty plus years.
Of course it’s far more complicated.
The reality is “young people don’t vote” has been a dog whistle for blaming “kids” (gen z haven’t been kids for a while now.) for the way things are.
Lamentation about young kids not voting is just another way boomers have passed the buck on issues that have been a problem since before my parents were alive, and in any case, millennials and gen z have been voting at unprecedentedly high levels when we were “the kids” compared to prior generations when they were.
The reality is that boomers have dominated politics relative to other generations and a lot of the disengagement perceived comes from being outright ignored- nevermind being told that one is ignorant and should just shut up and vote the way they tell me to.
You want young people engaged, then engage them and expend effort on advancing their interests. Corpo dems always act like Bernie was a fluke. It wasn’t. He’s one of the few voices we have in the senate that doesn’t look at us as a means to collecting more bribes from corporations.
People actually think hamas is a threat to the USA?
I think the risk is more in the way of Hamas getting recruits in the US and inciting terrorist acts here.
That said it’s a vague possibility compared to the certainty that christofascists will absolutely incite terrorist and insurrectist acts.
It’s like people forgot all the men, women and children McVeigh and Nichols killed. And just ignore all that came after. They fucking assassinated Dr Tiller, at his church on a Sunday morning. As he filled duties as an usher. Simply because they didn’t view him as the right kind of Christian. The assassin is still celebrated to this day in their circles.
My mom gave me a couple boxes of bullets because she’s worried about Hamas.
Hamas is not the threat I’m worried about, but I’m happy to have more ammo all the same.
Hamas has no airforce, no navy, no modern army. They shouldn’t even make our top 100 issues list
Hamas has no airforce
Tbh neither did Al-Qaida, until they hijacked a couple of planes. That’s the sort of threat being talked about, not like Red Dawn shit
Yeah but Al-Qaeda was ranting about attacking the USA for years and had actually already done terror acts by 9/11
Hamas basically doesn’t exist outside Israel. Technically, they’re Hezbollah’s little brother according to the US. They really only care about whatever happens in Gaza. Kind of like the Taliban in Afghanistan
Ya if only our intelligence agencies spent more time looking for terrorists and not trying to overthrow brown peoples governments or trying to root out “socialist.”
Yeah I don’t think Hamas is any threat to us in any serious way. But I do think so called “Christian” and Maga ethics of banning books, hurting others, limiting people’s healthcare rights, and taking away social programs is doing more damage to our country than any third-world outside terrorists could ever dream of being capable of doing. Like most countries, America has failed, and is crumbling away from within. Ignorance is the real threat to our continued existence.
You don’t need to be nuanced about it. MAGA extremists have actually killed people on American (and Canadian) soil, planned bombings, and attempted to overthrow the government.
And particularly chilling: they have the police on their side. When the maggots all show up at your neighborhood or place of work to vandalize and harass and assault, the cops will arrive late and they will be turned to face against you
Well - and don’t take this as criticism - I’m very much allied with the police in most situations. I’ve seen instances were our local police have gone after MAGA extremists, so I’ve seen a different side of it. They shot and killed a man here (in Utah) who had threatened to target Biden when he visited us. What I’ve found is, if I’m not doing anything criminal I usually am not bothered by the police. Our local police walk kids home safely from school and help out families in need here.
