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Speaking as an American Jew, Hamas should release the hostages. Until they do, a ceasefire feels impossible.

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Hamas doesn’t give a fuck about peace, ceasefires, children, or anything else.

That doesn’t mean Israel should get carte blanche to do whatever they want. Let’s not forget that prominent members of the current Israeli government have expressed very clear genocidal desires of their own.

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I think we should just shove both leaders into a submersible

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Honestly? Yeah I don’t see any way around this than to simply predicate all aid to the region on conditions.

  1. Israel on the demand that not one more brick be laid anywhere outside Israel’s borders and a plan with enforcement mechanisms to dismantle the settlements that are there in order to guarantee the possibility of a sustainable Palestinian state with an economy under their own control (I.e that trade, commerce, construction, monetary policy be Palestinian and not imposed by Israel). That reparations be paid to families of the victims of this bombing campaign and settler violence over the years, that those who perpetrated violence be brought to justice.

  2. Palestine on the condition that they renounce the right of return, that they apprehend and surrender all militants to an international tribunal, that they recognize Israel, that they pay reparations to the families of Israelis that have been killed over the years.

  3. Egypt and Jordan on the demand that they participate in the enforcement of the above.

  4. for all parties, that Jerusalem be declared either an international city, or joint capital (split East-West).

  5. that Iran be completely isolated from the region. This is a tough one, they have their fingers deep within Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and Lebanon.

It’s unclear how anything else can work.

If this requires a permanent UN military mission with the right to shoot to kill any threat all along the border of both Palestine and Israel, I’m fine with it. If it means Israel bitches and moans about how unfair it is, who cares. It’s about time they respected and enforced the law. If it means Palestinians need to fight to dismantle their own militant orgs and fight for peace, at least they will have a light at the end of that tunnel instead of the despair of the past 70 years (and earlier too, tbh).

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And i thought my plan of putting both in a room with only water and only release them when there’s a peace treaty is brilliant.

Visiting titanic will be nice.

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I agree. Both leaders are just way too radical to find a solution.

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“No talks until you give up your leverage”

Preconditions for a ceasefire mean you aren’t serious about a ceasefire.

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Do you think Hamas cares to “talk” or “negotiate” anything?

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why else take hostages and spend resources keeping them alive lol

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I mean yes. Being bombed is usually not a good time.

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Yes, and how do you think they plan on negotiating for said ceasefire?

spoiler

with hostages lol

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Hamas should go die in a ditch. Doesn’t mean Israel should murder civilians wholesale.

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The thing is: Their only leverage is the hostages (which Bibi apparently wants to bomb to death). Without leverage you can’t really have negotiations.

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The fire was ceased on October 6th

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As an american jew, hostages don’t justify genocide. Never again means never again.

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Yeah the one genocide of Jews that Hamas charter states as their end goal is never justified and whoever does justify it because it aligns with their leftist ideology can die in a ditch like all the terrorists

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Why “both are wrong” is such a complicated concept to understand?

Hamas is super wrong to start this ugly war, for keeping civilians hostage.

Israeli army is super wrong for mass shellings and complete disregard for civilian casualties.

Commanders on both sides of the conflict should be brought to justice.

But telling rights from wrongs isn’t the top priority right now. Civilians are dying, and this has to be stopped right now. And right now, this is in the hands of Israel.

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Are you confusing the end of Israel with the genocide of the Jews?

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leftist ideology

States should have consent of the governed. Come and get me.

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In return for the thousands of Palestinians imprisoned without trial, right?

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Speaking as another American Jew, killing innocent people should not be the response to a hostage situation.

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Speaking as a human, Israel needs to stop genociding Palestinians and stealing their land

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Are you saying Israel is justified in killing thousands of children because Hamas has about 100 hostages?

Weird how the Palestinians should always be mad at Hamas for Israel’s retaliation, but Israelis shouldn’t be mad at their government for Hamas’ retaliation.

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At this point Israel might have actually killed more Jews in Gaza than Hamas. Hostages too if they don’t stop the indiscriminate shelling.

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Technically this is more US news than world news, but it’s World News enough, and has enough up and down votes that I’ll allow it.

Rule of thumb:

Event happening somewhere in the world outside the US? - World News.

Article about how Americans feel about an event happening in the world outside the US? - Not world news. Maybe news, maybe politics, would depend on the context.

But Americans reacting to a world event doesn’t make it world news.

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Noted, thanks.

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It doesn’t matter where the poster is from, it’s where the story originates.

A bunch of people going to Washington D.C. because they’re upset belongs in News, not World News.

If you’re at all confused, read the rules in the sidebar.

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So wait… lemme get this straight; the USA isn’t in the world?

The US is OUTSIDE or SEPARATE from the world.

Ok. Got it.

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When it comes to world news, yes, that’s correct. News exists for US news.

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Glad this is an opportunity for people to see how nuanced these issues can be.

Good thing this is making more people anti-Zionist and acknowledge that criticism of Israel is not criticism of Jews.

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Some American Jews. Mostly the women.

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