cross-posted from: https://yiffit.net/post/475688

Xbox Game Pass Core subscribers will get access to a small selection of the games available with the regular/higher tiers of Game Pass, starting with more than 25 games

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2 years ago I had to move to a temp place. First evening, I unpacked my PS3 which I hadn’t had time for for a long time. Lots of games on it (and on discs), so I could just sit and play Journey.

Had all my games had been this subscription sort, I’d have nothing.

Now I know you can still buy games - for now, anyway. But since these companies make you pay for multiplayer anyway, it’s an easy upsell for them. Just pay a bit more and you can play so many games… Just pay forever.

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All of the games on gamepass are available for purchase at reasonable prices. Gamepass is a choice for people that want a wide variety of games to play right now for a reasonable price. Maybe one day sony or Microsoft first party games could become sub only but that seems very unlikely given the relatively high selling price of games compared to Blu rays, cds, books, etc… . It’s too profitable not to offer them for sale.

This is a very silly argument.

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Just watch this silly argument become less silly as we first see indie games become exclusive to subs, then an odd MMO, until in 5 years the first MicroVisZard game will be exclusive. There will be outrage of course, but it will die down, people will become tired of protesting, and sub-only games will be the new standard. Just like it always is with every crap these companies pull.

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We’re already seeing big name titles come out exclusively digitally, and companies like Bungie charge so much for their games that it might actually be cheaper as a subscription. I don’t think you’re too far off at all.

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You still didn’t provide any logical reason why anyone wouldn’t also sell the games outright. Please explain the business case for a third party developer to make their game subscription only. First party games I could see this happening with, maybe, although I still find it unlikely. For third party? What benefit would their be for either side of that deal? They would both be limiting their income stream.

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The clear benefit is, because Microsoft (or Sony or Nintendo or whoever) will pay them a ton of money.

Just like it always is with any other exclusive contract.

It’s not like that’s not the case already. Stadia had 3rd party exclusives, Apple’s game subscription has exclusives.

You’re missing the entire point of these subscription services. They exist to to keep you paying regardless of whether you use them or not. For them, a one-time investment in a videogame developer is worth it if it marginally helps them to get enough people to forget to cancel.

If you’re not getting it, you’re not familiar with the subscription model, and not familiar with the videogame industry.

Like who do you think is going to decide which games will be sub-only, you? No, you’ll just find one day that a game you were looking forward to get announced as a subscription exclusive.

It’s pointless to argue about shit that’s happened time and time again. If in 5 years there will be less than 20 games exclusive to GamePass, you can come back and call me stupid.

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I wish Memmy supported bookmarking a specific comment because this would be the first one. These predictions are made time and time again and they prove themselves every time. I absolutely believe we will have at least some subscription exclusive games within 5 years, if that.

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Subscription only games already exist and have existed for a long time.

Ever heard of World of Warcraft, little known indie game

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For now at least, I see it as what I used to do back in the good ol’days and rent games from blockbuster. What I don’t like is having to be connected online to play a game. Even though you buy a game online once that service disappears your screwed.

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There is also the matter of value psychology that’s in play. Of you pay for a title, it automatically gains value. Of it’s given to you for free (or as a all you can eat buffet) - the same title suddenly does not feel so premium.

Going to the movies vs watching a film on Netflix. Buying a vinyl of an album vs playing few songs on Spotify.

I understand that to some the value proposition is just too hard to pass. To me however it cheapens the games and makes them less interesting.

(I got a year of ultimate in some promotion. Installed a bunch of games, then never played them, instead enjoying other titles I actually personally picked and paid for)

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I mean I only ever use it when I get a new card and get the one month for one dollar and cancel it after.

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You can buy games too, of course. This ain’t the Switch, which leaves many of its games locked behind a subscription.

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