My fiance has been struggling a lot lately with this and it’s taking a toll on me. I’m doing all I can and all I know how to do but it’s getting really hard and exhausting to deal with the constant cycle of abuse and then apology and then abuse and then apology over and over and over again for months. Usually day by day. I have convinced her to go to a counselor for help and she has an appointment set and seemed willing but she has kept up the cycle of drinking and I’m afraid she’ll just ignore it or pretend to go. If anyone has experience helping a loved one through overcome this I would appreciate the help. She is an absolutely wonderful person when she is sober and I love her with all my heart but I’m not sure what else I can do and I don’t want the rest of my life to consist of this.
Do you really love this person? I mean really, like truly. Cuz you have to realize that this will most probably be like the rest of your life.
I did a similar mistake, married the wrong person out of pitty for her (I wanted to help her). Do understand, people don’t change, at least not at the age of 25 and above (I assume you’re both not in your teens). Damaged goods is not something I’d be willing to accept again as my life partner. Now I’m stuck with her for the next 15 years or so, till the kid grows up.
Think about having children with this person long and hard and whether you could endure that with a person like that. Marriages come and go, you 2 could get divorced, no harm no faul, but children are for life.
Strong disagree on people not changing, my partners brother was a heavy alcoholic at 30 and he’s now 5 years sober and has children and hasn’t touched a drop. He relapsed in his first week and nearly died.
People can change, they just have to want to. Of course this isn’t applicable to all but generalising your situation to everyone isn’t helpful to people in these positions.
On the flip side so show that I understand people not changing, her uncle has currently lost his family and maybe soon his job. Every time the kids are due to be with him he’s completely shitfaced and the adult dropping them off refuses to give them to him in that condition and that still isn’t enough for him to want to change. I bet he has seen his own children for over a year. He is constantly lying and we think he owes money to people because he’s usually in a bit of a roughed up state. It’s sad but until he wants it there’s nothing anyone can do.
Her brother is still a testament to the way people can better themselves though.
I’m not willing to take that chance again. Got burned once, not willing to try it again.
And I was speaking from my own experience, as everyone else does (yourself included).
That’s fair, I’m sorry that you’ve been through what you have, but you made a heavy generalisation that people don’t change, my experience is that they can and do.
Neither of us want children and yes I really true love her. I’m not planning on leaving her I just want to help her through this. I know she can do this and I believe in her and I’m not going to give up on her until she gives up on herself. I’d take a bullet for her no second thought.
IDK what to tell you… mood swings will most probably be a part of your life. She drank for a reason, it made her feel good. When she doesn’t have that fix, she’s most probably like you experience her now. She might get better with time (less abusive), than again, chances are (from my experience) that she won’t.
Well I had issues with drinking myself when I was younger and I got through it decently fine. I’m sorry you’ve had such a bad experience yourself but I’m really hoping it doesn’t turn out that way here. Though I do know the possibility exists. When she’s sober she still says she wants help. As long as she doesn’t give up entirely on herself I’m not giving up on her either.
I understand your feelings of empathy and loyalty. I respect that as one of the most beautiful things that can be between two people but be aware that loyalty can also be a trap and that is when it keeps you in a toxic relationship that is slowly destroying you. I´m not saying it has to turn out like that but don´t be naive as I was, be smart. Be there for her, make her feel loved and try everything to help her but at the same time you have to be absolutely aware of a few things.
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Alcoholism creates behaviours that are extremely hard to break. There is a possibility that she might never stop drinking at all and that it even gets worse over time, no matter what you do to help her or how much love and care you give her. It is beyond of what you can control, only she could and she might not be able to.
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Never forget to keep one eye on yourself and to take care of yourself. Empathic people in difficult relationships often focus so much on managing the relationship and being there for their partner, that they start to neglect the duty of taking care of their own well being. This can take a heavy toll and go on until total mental burnout occurs and can lead to serious psychological trauma, depression, frustration, aggression, emotional instability and so on, leaving you as an injured party at the end.
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If time shows that she can´t change, no matter what, get out and safe yourself, don´t hesitate.
I wish you two all the best and that everything will work out. Take good care of yourself.
Thank you, I did need to hear that. When I called up my brother he said a lot of the same stuff. I know there’s a possibility she’s going to choose alcohol over our relationship and I’m ready to recognize when that happens. But I don’t think it’s there yet. If she doesn’t go to this counseling meeting she scheduled then I’ll have to rethink things, unfortunately. I know from experience how bad it can be and how little you care about other people when you’re in that hole but sometimes you just need someone to throw you a rope down to help you climb up and I’m hoping that’s the case here. And that she chooses to take it and make the effort to climb up herself.
Al-anon
Nut up and leave their ass. This sounds harsh, but in my experience people dont change until they have to contend with the harshest consequences of their actions.
They’ll cry crocodile tears and promise that they’ll do better from now on and to just give them one more change and everything will magically be better.
Maybe they put up an act for a bit but it always goes back to square one.
Stop tolerating abuse just because you love them or are afraid of being alone again. You are partially complicit in this by deciding to continue the relationship.
The only thing that one human being can do for another human being with an addiction is to love them as honestly and as consistently as possible.
It’s really about focusing on the self, more than focusing on the other person. Basically, you need to give them some hope that the world might be a worthwhile place to be. And you do that by being your best self.
I know it sounds vague, so I’ll try to be more specific. You need to make your side of the interface with that person as clean and as healthy as possible.
Specifically:
- Tell them the truth (including bad news)
- Keep your promises to them
- Don’t make promises to them you can’t keep
People get addicted because their moment to moment awareness is too full of pain to withstand.
For some people, the pain is simple. Their back is in agony, or the withdrawal from their last hit is grinding at them. For these people you can do nothing.
For others, the pain is harder to see and understand: the world is meaningless, their life is hopeless, they are surrounded by a world of shit, they can’t trust, etc. For these people you can’t do much. All you can do is make your little part of the world functional, so that in you they find reason to trust, evidence of meaning, a possibility of a world that isn’t shit.
99% of the work is still hers to do, not yours. But that 1% consists of being consistent and healthy in your dealings with her.
Now here comes the hard part. This is where you face your own real demons, for your sake and for hers. And I think the place to start that journey is:
What is it that you have to heal within yourself, so that you are no longer the kind of person to accept abuse?
Is there any way that you simultaneously stop accepting her abuse of you and give her greater hope of a world worth living in? I think there is. I think, in fact, it might be the same thing.
But it’s going to have to start with a serious, deep look into your own darkness, into the stinky, rotten parts of your own soul that are so scary to you that you’d rather accept abuse than look directly at them.
It sounds really beautiful and all, but the abuse will stay unless real consequences wake them up. Consequences that they cannot talk themselves out of, since they usually are real good talkers.
So take care of yourself, leave them be in their misery or stay a victim. I know what I would choose.
never tried it, but heard it’s highly effective. get hammered with them and film the whole thing. then show it to them.
Have done this, not video, but texts. She was horrified and embarrassed and swore it would never happen again. And then it happened…like, thirty more times. So I don’t think that’ll work unfortunately
