Immigrants to Canada are increasingly leaving this country for opportunities elsewhere, according to a study(opens in a new tab) conducted by the Institute for Canadian Citizenship and the Conference Board of Canada.

In fact, the number of immigrants who left Canada rose by 31 per cent above the national average(opens in a new tab) in 2017 and 2019.

According to the study, factors that influence onward migration include economic integration, a sense of belonging, racism, homeownership, or a lack thereof, and economic opportunities in other countries, the report revealed.

47 points

Canada has become a car culture nation, I’m living abroad right now so that I can be a pedestrian without fearing for my life.

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The state of public transport in Montreal makes me so angry. This city used to be an examplar of public transit.

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21 points

And I’m over here in Ottawa looking at you guys as the gold standard.

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9 points

Same here. Everytime I go to Montréal, I’m amazed by their transit.

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I haven’t tried enough of the transit outside of Metro Van

How would Montreal compare to transit here (for those that tried both)

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We’re the second largest nation in the world by landmass, but with a population that’s only the size of California.

How do you not have a “car culture” in a nation like that? People need to get around, and transit can really only accommodate those in cities

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About half the country lives in the Windsor to Quebec city corridor, a region with population density of Spain.

Most of the northern wilderness is unoccupied. It makes no sense to say we can’t have good passenger rail just because Victoria Island exists.

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Yeah nobody is saying that the Yupik villages need subways, but Toronto should probably have a good light rail.

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Cities need to be much more transit/pedestrian oriented because they do not cover much area.

Cars should be used for servicing the country and for visiting towns.

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-27 points

“Yes you’re right but I’m going to phrase it like you’re wrong”

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The issue isn’t that living in Edwin or Newton in Manitoba is based around driving a car, it’s that life in Winnipeg, Manitoba is still based around driving a car. The problem is that car culture is still what cities are built around.

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Do people have to drive all the way across the country every single day? The size of the country does not dictate its dependency on the automobile. North American cities were walkable before the car and they can be walkable again. Car dependency is a result of policy not the size of the country.

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On average, how many times a year do you go from Thunder Bay to Whitehorse versus how many times a year do you get groceries around the block?

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The overwhelming majority of the population lives in a narrow ~100km band over the southern border. How do you not have a decent transit system when its so concentrated?

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Oh good, maybe this will help with the housing crisis. Lol

But in seriousness, I know a few people who’ve moved to the US for better pay. Not worth it for me but I can see why people move.

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I’m planning to move. I was born in Canada. I worked overseas for several years. I came back to Canada and I’m leaving again. Hopefully permanently. Better pay is definitely one aspect (although it’d take 10x increase to get me to move to the USA), but it’s not the only one. Quality of life is another MAJOR point that Canadians miss out on in a big way. Yeah you get a bigger home… and a fancy big truck… but to get that, you work yourself to death, you pay insane prices for things, and you have to live with stroads…

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7 points

where you plan on going?

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8 points

Yeah tell all of us so we can go too 🤣🤣

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“What we found is a withering, uncertain and anti-working class government, happy to sell promises it never intended on keeping”

I think this and the “hard work does not correlate with rewards” seem to be apt.

Many are brought over with flowery words hiding the fact that they will be competing with an already struggling working class.

Everybody I know thinks trying to raise a kid right now is not only unfeasable, but unethical. The couple working class people I know who had kids regardless are in debt and struggling despite working as much as they can.

Then the newspapers post articles like “why are selfish lazy millennials choosing not to obtain things like homes and cars, or attempting to have children.”

It’s frustrating and disgusting. Especially when you see things like the complete failure of antitrust. Big surprise that Rogers just locked out hundreds of old Shaw union workers.

There’s something terribly wrong with the power imbalance, and this is more evidence to throw on the depressingly obvious pile.

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It’s especially bad when those same newspapers also write articles about how most millennials are living paycheck to paycheck, and a single unexpected $1000 expense is enough to bankrupt them.

I can’t count on how many people I’ve seen who’s become borderline alcoholics as they can’t handle life between work and bills without a steady supply. I live and work in relatively better off parts of Toronto, yet I see dozens of people who are homeless or dealing with serious psychiatrics problems. Seeing someone begging on the streets or trains has become almost a daily occurrence despite it having been quite rare a decade ago. Not to mention all those who sleep on the trains and buses rather than trying to get anywhere.

We as a country have been steered the wrong way for a good decade now, and every measurement I’ve seen regarding the human life index, happiness, international reputation, etc, have all pointed that out. Canada isn’t the bastion of freedom and equality that it used to be. Virtually all our leaders on every level have failed the population, including the opposition.

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We as a country have been steered the wrong way for a good decade now,

It’s been in motion for a lot longer than that.

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Glad you clarified. That should make things easier to fix now.

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15 points

“We are thus compelled to return to a society where taxes lead to tangible public services, healthcare is a given right, not a privilege and where schools are havens of learning, unmarred by the pervasive reach of politics.”

Canada’s gleaming palace of prosperity is actually a slum run by greedy politicians and hedge funds who just want to steal everyone’s money for themselves.

Born and bred in Canada, but if I could afford it I’d head to Europe as well.

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Sounds like maplewashing still works. Immigrants are drawn to Canada, only to discover it ain’t all that.

I would love to move back home, but, as others have mentioned, the prices and healthcare situation are bitter pills… Also, finding a decent job. I know someone who went from making 140k as an escalation manager for an international IT company, to beng laid off, to spending 7 months job hunting, to finally working as a fry cook just to pay rent.

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The only reason why Canada seems like a good option is because US is so fucked that it makes Canada look better.

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As an immigrant, I can concur. What I thought Canada would be and what it turned out to be are very different things. I’m not happy with the financial stress nor with how my international experience is not taken into consideration when applying to jobs. I am an undesirable candidate. I was lucky enough to find a job that is somewhat similar to what I used to do but my partner is restarting his career just to make money. At the end of the day, we barely make ends meet because rent is so expensive. Just to get an apartment we had to go through hell because we have no credit score and we couldnt afford to pay 6-12 months in advance. I generally felt unwelcomed.

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This is what I fear about returning to Canada. It is my home, but all of my post-uni work experience is abroad. I have no credit score in Canada, just a student loan that I did pay back. I own nothing there, cannot vote either… I know now that there are systems that work better. My father is 72 and still works 16 hours a day, 6 days a week! He only takes off Christmas day. I get 5 weeks paid vacation, paternity leave, bonuses, paid training, 100% free and nearly immediate health care—I had a CT scan the other week THE SAME DAY I was told to get one—meal vouchers, free public transport, etc. I don’t make a lot of money, but I also only work 33 hours per week for 36 weeks of the year and my wife works about 20. We make ends meet and have zero debt. I don’t think I could have the same lifestyle in Canada as I do here… But I sure do miss the trees and snow and nature and “going out for a rip, eh”

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