I found it complicated at first (didn’t know which instance “will last”, where to register to not lose anything when instance admin decide to turn it down), but now it’s going good. We are missing mobile apps though.
What’s are your thoughts about Lemmy/kbin?
I think having your account tied to an instance without an option to move is a huge issue. Now I’m still dependent on the instance owners rules and willingness/ability to keep it up. Just like reddit oranzy other centralized network. Accounts need to be movable including history and linkage to posts. Same goes for communities. We are just hyper fragmenting now. Communities need to.be able to span instances tobincrease performance and uptime as well as resiliency.
Jerboa works fine for me. The overall experience and peoeple are nice enough. We just have technicalities to iron out.
Wait can you not easily migrate on Lemmy?? I’m coming from Mastodon and just assumed that data portability was part and parcel of the fediverse. That’sa huge problem that needs to be remedied.
There is a younger project called Nostr, that came up as a twitter / mastodon replacement. It deals with user identities in better, more sustainable way. Thle client generates a keypair for you locally (you can back it up and use it to “log in” with any other client). Then you choose relay server (or even multiple relays) that will save and forward your posts to others.
Most of the client software resembles twitter UI, but there are some with more *chan/reddit like look.
Since the Nostr protocol is built primarily by people around bitcoin related projects, there is software ready for the relay operators to accept payments. Most of them are currently free, but thanks to bitcoin lightnong network, paying for a relay is pretty fast, and trustles.
Also I’m concerned with where and how people’s data is stored. Where are the account usernames, email addresses, and passwords stored? It sounds to me like each instance is a separate physical server, so you’re 100% reliant on the instance ‘host’ to properly secure the data and maintain it. How does that work with GDPR compliance?
That scares the hell out of me…
That’s why i chose the opportunity now, early in, to “move” to an instance in Germany. I still have to rely on the instance owner, but at least juristidiction is that same as where i live and GDPR/DSGVO is something i can somewhat count on. But in the end, it also is the question where the server is. Is the instance hosted on a QNAP NAS in someones basement or on an AWS instance in the US. That’s my biggest gripe when everyone in the privacy community recommends federated stuff. The notion that some dude in Iowa or such is more trustworthy than some corporation is pretty questionable if you ask me.
Good call, I actually just did the same and deleted my .world account. I’m still not comfortable with the potential issues associated with having each instance hosted at the whim of whoever runs it.
Don’t reuse passwords, 2fa email, etc.
But really how different is trusting some guy with a server from trusting some corporation with a server farm?
Very, actually. A large corporation has the resources and staff to properly secure and maintain (both physically and digitally) their servers vs the decentralized nature where you don’t know who is hosting it, or where. A large corporation can be held accountable for any data breeches or security issues, and are more able to report and respond quickly and properly to any security incidents. Individually run/maintained servers can vary greatly in technical support knowledge, hardware capabilities and security, and resources available to maintain the service.
That’s even assuming the best in people and that those people running the servers are operating in good faith and not actively working to use peoples data for nefarious purposes. At least if a corporation is found to be acting in bad faith, they can be held accountable by some kind of regulatory body.
Honestly, very. A large corporation has the resources to properly secure both physically and digitally their servers, keep up-to date in security threats and deal with them in a timely manner. If they don’t, they can be held accountable for any data breeches or improper storage. Plus, ALL the servers of that corporation are secured to the same standard.
A bunch of dudes running servers in their basements has none of that, and their resources for managing/running/securing those servers vary greatly between them, and may even vary and change often depending on the server.
So yes, I trust a properly staffed/supported data farm vs individuals anyday in terms of security.
And that even starts off on the assumption that everyone running a server at all is aware of and concerned with securing the server and data properly, let alone bad actors who might actively try and subvert data integrity laws for their own gain.
Honestly, Jerboa in alpha is already better than the official reddit app for me. It’s no TPA reddit app, but the number of contributors (in github) has risen by a lot so I’m expecting/hoping development will pick up and it’ll get better fast.
I appreciate the community the most in here. They’ve been very welcoming and minimal, if any, toxicity.
I still haven’t figured out how to look up a community on Jerboa… The desktop site works well enough, though a little slow.
You can search via the hamburger icon in the bottom left, to the right of the home/house.
Its great, but I still want comment sorting before I start to prefer it over webui.
honestly, once I wrapped my head around the idea of federation (which is very easy given I’ve been active in the P2P torrent field before- federation is but a simple extension of that concept) lemmy has pretty easy to use. It’s simple. The interface is clean and has what I want right in front. I search what I want, deal with a couple minor bugs, and then look at what I want to look at.
My only biggest concern with Lemmy longterm is community fragmentation. As more instances spin up with the user influx, and Lemmy being (currently) limited in horizontal scaling of individual instances, we are going to have cases of tens, maybe even hundreds, of instances all ending up with identical, but separate, communities. Federation of a single instance’s community can only work so well, if we’re expecting users in the millions, and such fragmented communities that may or may not end up federating with one another can artificially make the service feel a lot less active than it really is and/or potentially lead to a lot of content being missed by some users.
If something like multi-reddit comes about in Lemmy, I believe it could solve that issue. Just make a multi-reddit of what is the same community (roughly) over multiple servers. It won’t solve the problem of duplicate posts though. But Reddit had the same issue at times, where multiple subreddits for the same topic existed, although generally it merged down into a single subreddit that was actually useful.
Good point, valid concern! I hope existing (real) communities (from existing subreddits or elsewhere) can have leaders pointing users to a specific Feddit community. What would be even more awesome, is if communities could be merged: that way we could ‘repair’ in a sense, fragmentation that happened naturally without losing the users and content that one of the communities already amassed.
Isn’t this partially intentional? If you don’t like the moderation or community or one instance, you can join a community with the same name on a different instance. I don’t know how it works out in practice, but this should reduce the power of moderators who hang around forever without actually moderating.
There are benefits to it, but it naturally limits maximum community size since it will be a problem if any community significantly outscales the instance it is from. I don’t see an easy way around it, it likely needs a better hosting/funding solution for the servers that support the “big” communities.
I expect a small boom of loudly announced instances, that will be essentially unmaintained, half of them will silently disappear while taking users identities with them in less than a year, and the rest spliting the federation in half by implementing ideological blacklists, some properly shutting down when the money runs out, or lawsuits and takedown notices starts to flood in.
Let’s hope I’m wrong.
Lots of people here with the opposite opinion of me, which is that I like the website and not the mobile apps, but overall yeah I’m pretty convinced this format is probably the best poised alternative to replace Reddit for a lot of people. Maybe not everybody, but I am willing to “settle” for quality over quantity ;)
I agree. I too prefer the website as a progressive web app. Though I’m playing with the idea of making a cross platform app highly inspired by relay for reddit. But with my history of procrastination that probably never will get finished.
I’d love to see some of the existing Reddit client apps pivot over to Lemmy.
I’m a long-time user of Reddit is Fun and would love to continue using it!
