“Inalienable Rights: Part I The Basic Argument” Against the Employer-Employee System and for Workplace Democracy

https://www.ellerman.org/inalienable-rights-part-i-the-basic-argument/

This article discusses how the contemporary system of labor relations treats employees as things rather than persons thus denying their humanity, and violating rights they have because of their personhood. Instead, work should be democratically controlled by the people doing it

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So we treat people like things, and companies as people. Fanfuckingtastic.

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Simply, owners demand for themselves more than they pretend to allow for workers.

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I was mostly referring to the Citizens United legislation, but yeah, your point still stands!

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I see. I think the particular case is just one event revealing a problem that is much older and deeper.

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Ellerman, according to my understanding, has tended to approach liberal defenses of private property by attaching further abstractions and obfuscation that produce no particular further clarity above established leftist criticisms.

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Ellerman’s approach actually clarifies how the system of property and contract works under capitalism and avoids some basic mistakes that are pervasive in Marxism and neoclassical economics. Furthermore, his argument is significantly stronger and more decisive than established leftist criticisms. It establishes that wage labor violates workers’ rights even if it is voluntary.

What specific point in the article did you disagree with?

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Mostly, Ellerman’s approach is weighty and unwieldy, by capturing or complicating constructs that leftists have identified as unnecessary, unrobust, and outright fictitious.

Most leftists have no need for recovering natural rights, nor even have need of natural rights.

Workers might simply rebel against the exploiters, because workers have no wish and no need for being exploited.

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There is a moral principle that legal responsibility should be assigned to the de facto responsible party. Ellerman shows that the employer-employee contract under capitalism is inherently based on violating this fundamental moral principle. Natural rights are just rights that follow from certain basic principles of justice.

The capitalist account is that workers consent to wage labor. Ellerman’s argument is necessary to show that capitalism even if it was voluntary is unjust

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A place to discuss positive changes that can make work more equitable, and to vent about current practices. We are NOT against work; we just want the fruits of our labor to be recognized better.

Our Philosophies:

  • All workers must be paid a living wage for their labor.
  • Income inequality is the main cause of lower living standards.
  • Workers must join together and fight back for what is rightfully theirs.
  • We must not be divided and conquered. Workers gain the most when they focus on unifying issues.

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  • Higher wages for underpaid workers.
  • Better worker representation, including but not limited to unions.
  • Better and fewer working hours.
  • Stimulating a massive wave of worker organizing in the United States and beyond.
  • Organizing and supporting political causes and campaigns that put workers first.

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