The first desktop version, Mac OS X 10.0, was released on March 24, 2001. Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard and all releases from OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion to macOS 14 Sonoma are UNIX 03 certified
I don’t like MacOS, but it’s actually able to be called UNIX.
I’m surprised you don’t lose Unix certification with crap like case insensitive filesystem defaults.
I don’t want to be like Stack Overflow, but tbh you have some design problems if you rely on case sensitive filesystems.
Both HFS Plus and APFS can have case sensitivity enabled, it’s optional.
Enabling it has had a tendency to break third party Mac software though. Adobe used to be a particularly bad offender there.
Being able to be called Unix just means paying for certification. No more, no less.
Eh, as long as you don’t update it its extremely stable. And it’s a UNIX system so you can still do shenanigans if you’re still inclined.
That is an interesting sentence: as long as you don’t update it’s extremely stable
But this is more about macOS having no package manager (officially), telemetry and such
I know, and trust me, I hate Apple for essentially breaking my computer after an update. But I had my MacBook for 6 years now, use it daily, and have no hiccups other wise.
Yeah, back when I was playing around with terminal not having a package manager was a huge pain in the ass.
I still don’t get the love for package managers.
As a windows and Mac user who has tried to use Linux multiple times I can’t stand the centralized managers. They never have what I need and then it ends up out of date and not working.
Is there some hidden benefit I’m missing? Because sourcing from the developer seems like the much better way to do it like Mac and Windows.
1.Security 2.Up to date depends on distro, rolling releases have more up to date software 3. Convenience: just open the app center and click install
Easy: Nothing beats the simplicity of brew install whatever or apt install whatever, and then having whatever just work, in my experience, pretty much every single time.
I mean macos is Unix certified. But *nix systems are better.
I vividly remember when a friend of mine who runs a small graphic design studio was sent an archive file macOS couldn’t open natively and asked me for help. Never having used a Mac and without any clue as to which tools the stupid app shop (which was rather new at the time) held, I couldn’t for the life.of me get the blasted thing to obey me, until I found a terminal. I then installed build utils and compiled the frickin’ unpacker I needed myself since it only had Linux binaries. Worked like a charm.
I think it’s gotten better, but I still have a bad taste in my mouth from the countless times MacOS was too stupid to recognize a file type, and absolutely rejected all attempts to tell it what it was. I almost always found a way around it, but it would sometimes take dozens of minutes of fighting with the OS; these times almost made me long for Windows.
Apple’s position that users are fucking idiots may be usually justified, but they consistently violate the “… and make the uncommon possible” rule. The philosophy that the OS is always right is frustrating.
I can agree that fighting apples UI’s can get frustrating (i.e. playing the “try to find the right button” game). What makes me think macs are great is that you get all the freedom you could wish for in a terminal that is unix-compliant, while also getting the reliability of a hugely widespread OS that a bunch of good developers are paid to maintain. With the new macs you also get the apple silicon hardware, which is great.
I think most people that use macs indeed do need the safety rails, but at the same time they bother me. I know how to disable them within 15 mins of setting up my computer, but if I’m helping someone with an issue, I sometimes first need to spend some time disabling safety nets and installing the tools I need. Also: Shoving iCloud storage down my throat is shit. They should stop that.
MacOS is way more often worse than Windows than how Linux does it.
Linux sometimes have important settings hidden in config files that are different in every distro. Sometimes an API is legit worse in Linux, than in Windows.
MacOS has a lot of things that cannot be set at all, constantly deprecated APIs, not to mention it’s locked into overpriced hardware. CoreAudio was only better than the Windows native offerings until XAudio came, and Pipewire for Linux seems promising from at least a developer standpoint.
They also charge developers for the privilege of compiling their programs for Apple platforms* (and using one of the worst IDEs known to man).
^(*Yes, you can technically compile apps with a free account, but AFAIK they will be restricted to only run on the developer’s machines unless you shell out $99 a year.)
MacOS is way more often worse than Windows than how Linux does it.
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
That’s different, in that its grammatical in a dialect but not in Standard American English.
In particular, it’s using the ‘habitual be’. It’s saying something like “people don’t think it always is like it currently is, but it’s always like this.”
