150 Palestinian prisoners are being released as part of Israel and Hamas’s recent hostage deal. But thousands more remain behind bars.

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The fastest way to not be subjected to your enemy’s military courts is to not be at war with them.

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And the fastest way to not be at war with a genocidal occupier like Israel is to just die, I guess?

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Palestine did accept the Oslo accords, and created the Palestinian National Authority under the agreement. Israel reneged on the agreement by allowing continued expansion of settlements.

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They did. The result: Rabin was assassinated by a Zionist terrorist (when the whole Israeli political right was calling for his assassination, mind you), Netanyahu came in his place and the whole thing came apart. Every “effort” Israel made for peace then has been a naked farce.

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Suing for peace and being willing to make concessions also ends deaths related to warfare.

If Palestine remains belligerent, they won’t be genocided, that’s more of Hamas’ thing, but I suspect Palestine will eventually be left with no territory.

Perhaps 70+ years of intifada and failed wars against an enemy they can’t hope to defeat isn’t the best strategy.

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Concessions with a genocidal occupier who doesn’t want peace, how?

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Many of the people in these courts were not at war. The evidence for that is that they aren’t charged with a crime. You can end up in these courts without doing anything wrong. It would be very silly to say that these people were at war or that they were terrorists with no evidence and no charge.

Furthermore, Palestine did not decide to go to war with Israel. Israel occupies the territory of Palestine. Their first big act of expansion and occupation happened in 1948 and did in fact spark a war. Palestinians are unlikely to have gone out in search of war if one was not delivered to their homes.

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Many of the people in these courts were not at war. The evidence for that is that they aren’t charged with a crime. You can end up in these courts without doing anything wrong.

Palestine has remained belligerent for over 70 years now. Arguably, they have been in a state of war since '48. Suing for peace could allow them to administer their own courts, ones that don’t treat them like hostile belligerents.

Furthermore, Palestine did not decide to go to war with Israel. Israel occupies the territory of Palestine. Their first big act of expansion and occupation happened in 1948 and did in fact spark a war.

You mean declaring themselves a country with the borders the UN created for them? Please.

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 broke out when five Arab nations invaded territory in the former Palestinian mandate immediately following the announcement of the independence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948. In 1947, and again on May 14, 1948

They started it, and lost.

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Well too bad for them I guess because military occupation is an act of war and that’s been going on since 1970 in Gaza, East Jerusalem and the West Bank.

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