To my knowledge, the concept of “conservatism” is the will to conserve, preserve past values that are seen as superior. While I don’t agree with this either, this community has almost exclusively posts about fearing new things and trying to show them as evil. Evil migrants, evil new generations, evil new sexualities, whatever.
I do not see any “values” in it, only fear. Rejecting migrants is not based on morals or values that are rational, but on fear. Same for the rest. Which leads to the question, what is the point of this community? It does not lead to debate, people calling it out as fascism on one side (which is quite justified as the root ideas are seemingly identical) and the other side just saying that it’s wrong and that’s it. There’s no debate of values, as there are no values to debate about.
I do not agree with the concept of conservatism, and I couldn’t care less if this place is forever doomed to be downvoted in oblivion. But if you actually want to do something else than fear-mongering, even if you insist on talking about conservatism, then maybe it would be a good idea to refocus the community on actual ideas, and not the typical far-right speeches of hatred and fear that already flood a lot of media.
Of course I believe that it would be better to reconsider opinions that basically encourage the worst of humanity; but even aside from that, there is more to do than to replace every possibility of a conversation with the (stereo)typical “immigrants bad, jesus good, gays evil” speech.
Our side may support Nazis but at least we keep the wrong people from being happy…
What’s weird is I thought I left a comment giving you an official warning.
Well, here it is.
Rule 3, bad faith. Official warning.
It always cracks me up how wrong liberals are about everything.
I support a single payer system.
Even Trump praised it.
https://pnhp.org/news/trumps-forbidden-love-single-payer-health-care/
Maybe you’re a closet conservative and you didn’t even know it.
The major debate is how to fund it, how to change the system and not end your like Canada or Europe where it’s in name only. I don’t want Medicare for all. I want something more akin to the Australian system.
If we don’t fix our shit now, we are going to sail past the 2.5° mark. That is going to risk a food chain collapse, which would be a mass extinction level event. And that’s only one of many of the >disastrous effects.
You realize the Earth has done that in the past as well? We survived. We will adapt.
It isn’t. There are few sciences as close in agreement as climate science. The overwhelming consensus (97%) within the scientific community is that it is happening, and that it is man made.
You just ignored everything I said because you were excited to repeat that trope. Follow the money.
https://www.heritage.org/environment/commentary/follow-the-climate-change-money
That point being that there is mountains of evidence showing that climate change is happening, and it is human caused.
Do you even read what anyone says? Or is this an attempt at a straw man. I clearly pointed out the climate it changing as it has since the inception of time.
That’s not how science or the peer review process works. The scientific method takes money to be able to experiment. Do you think climate monitoring satellites are just free?
Are you a doctor? I am, so don’t tell me how the process works. I am published, you are not. Money taints the process. It’s a well known fact that money taints the results.
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-money-is-a-problem-for-science-2016-7
Not sure what you think satellites have to do with what I said.
What I find strange is that for a community that seems to be about discussing politics there is a huge absence of politics. I think the best way to explain is with a few examples. I’ll post a few of the newest headlines from other political communities and we’ll compare.
- Feds’ water legislation needs to do better around Indigenous rights
- Recall campaign launched to oust B.C. education minister over SOGI
- Danielle Smith to invoke Sovereignty Act on Ottawa power rules next week, say sources
- Trudeau government claims victory in latest trade dispute with U.S. over dairy
- Feds want Toronto to do more in exchange for housing cash — the mayor says she’s ready
Each one of these headlines mentions a politician or government agency and something they’ve done or said
- ‘I Will Come For You’: Court Filing Reveals Judge in Trump Case Received ‘Hundreds’ of Threats
- Andrew Cuomo accused of sexual harassment in new lawsuit filed by former executive assistant Brittany Commisso
- Republican Senate candidate’s family egg company caught in price-fixing plot
- ‘Pipe down’: Biden allies step up calls for Dems to rally around president
- Backlash to affirmative action hits pioneering maternal health program for Black women
The slant here is a lot more obvious with headlines being more sensationalized, however, except for the last one it’s all about what politicians have said or done. The last one is about a conservative group suing to end a government program that provides charity to pregnant Black women which opens discussion about weather or not that program should exist.
- One of America’s fastest growing high school sports has ‘no benchwarmers’
- Pro-Palestinian protesters disrupt Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade in New York City
- Migrants Take All Free Thanksgiving Turkeys Intended For Struggling New Yorkers
- Poll: Gun ownership reaches record high with American electorate
- USAToday Fact check: Yes, there’s a vehicle ‘kill switch’ in Biden’s 2021 infrastructure bill, and we lie about it.
Only the last article has anything to do with politicians or the government. The rest are just articles about guns, migrants, and protests. If the aim is for political discussion, articles should be about politics. I’m not sure what discussion can had with these kinds of articles, other than “that article is stupid” which is said more often with a downvote than a comment.
Only the last article has anything to do with politicians or the government.
And on top of that, that particular post misrepresented the actual article. So the conversation on that one was ~90% calling out the post for misrepresenting the article instead of the policy itself.
Only because you morons are absolutely dedicated to proving that a kill switch is not a kill switch because it would make your policy look bad
The rest are just articles about guns, migrants, and protests
Are these not highly politicized topics, at the bare minimum? I mean for fuck sake, you genuinely believe protests to be a non-political subject? It just sounds more like you’re upset that not everyone agrees with you.
Gun policies, immigration policies, and the government’s stance on the Isreal-Palestine conflict are politics. Gun sales, migrants receiving charity, and protests are only tangentially related.
I’m not mad at all. I’m genuinely interested in reading what people think about government policies. I’m just pointing out that this community doesn’t make many posts where people can actually discuss policies. “Gun sales are up”. Alright? And? What’s the discussion to be had? That’s not a political stance that can be debated, that’s a sales report.
And the sex lives of ex politicians aren’t tangential? The shit you listed is just celebrity gossip for broken millennials.
I do find this to be an interesting perspective, because in general, I wouldn’t consider these to be tangential, but rather the real-world nature of political topics. Immigration isn’t just some nebulous political topic that gets discussed as a matter of theory up in DC. It’s a real thing that has real, tangible effects, and those merit discussion, not just as some tangential foot note of the theory.
with the (stereo)typical “immigrants bad, jesus good, gays evil” speech.
That middle part has all but vanished here. We can’t have compassion for migrants because we have “limited resources” and clearly they’re all just bad people (totally unrelated to their skin color they’ll tell you). They gladly elect politicians that destroy the social safety net for the poor.
The only thing even remotely related to Jesus being here is supply side Jesus.
You have a weird view if you still think all conservatives are christians. Hell, have I posted a single christian thing here?
I think your problem is you have this inaccurate preconceived notion, and its just not jiving with what you see.
Capital c Conservatism is about hierarchy. Hierarchies of race, gender, sexuality, or whatever. Any category imaginable must fit into an order with some on the top who rule over the masses at the bottom. Egalitarian ideals like democracy are disgusting to the Conservative, unless the franchise is exclusive to the “right” people.
God, guns, country, freedom, and capitalism are trends that come and go, but from Edmond Berk to Jordan Peterson, hierarchy is the throughline.
Not sure I agree with this. I could care less about your sexuality, gender or race. It’s the least interesting thing about you. To liberals it’s the only way they define themselves. It’s the only thing they are. It’s weird to me.
It’s weird to me to be in a conservative thought space like this and see someone say they don’t care about my sexuality among other things. Because when I am in a real life conservative space, and I (69f) walk around town with my spouse (67f) literally minding our own business and not so much as holding hands, we regularly get stared at, laughed at, and occasionally spit at. We get denied restaurant service. Sales clerks may permit us to make a purchase, but they take a step backwards while taking our payment. Or instead they might disappear into the back room and not reappear until after we leave the store.
Trust me, it’s not ME focusing on my sexuality. It’s the conservatives around me. I’m just window shopping and stopping for lunch in a town I haven’t visited before.
I don’t know any conservative who cares about your sexuality.
I’ve never seen that happen and my best friend is a trans woman who looks like a dude in a dress. She is not the least bit passing to anyone other than herself. She’s liberal. I’m conservative and nobody ever says a word to us when we are out and about. So maybe you need to stop and think about what you’re doing to repel people. My brother best friend was openly homosexual in the 80’s and no one ever denied us service when we all went out. I mean he was openly flaming gay. Never an issue.
So I am not saying your experience is false, but doesn’t match the experience I’ve had being around people of different sexualities than my own. Most people just don’t care unless you make a weird scene.
Well said!