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If they stay in the UK they should make red bubbles whenever one of the participant is in the UK and subject to UK’s laws.

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Do people in the UK even use those

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Are you serious?

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I don’t really know anyone that uses them. Myself and friends/family just use WhatsApp for everything. Haven’t used FaceTime for many years now

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That’s cool but the answer is an obvious and resounding yes, yes they do.

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With you on this. Don’t know anyone either. WhatsApp or telegram!

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Whenever I see articles about iMessage/RCS/SMS I see all the comments about how it’s a really American thing and how people in other countries use WhatsApp/others

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I was going to ask the same. I didn’t know anyone outside the US used iMessage.

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Yes, many people in the UK use iMessage. It’s not as popular as WhatsApp, but it is used.

Facebook Messenger is also popular here, particularly among older people.

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Damn, that’s wild. They’ll change out ports, open up the App Store, but this is the hill they die on. Interesting.

The main draw for me about iMessage, being able to answer my texts on any of my devices, can be done just with Messages by Google on my Pixel, making a Webapp Shortcut of messages.google.com on my iPad, and the same for my Linux machine. (I imagine the privacy of all that ain’t great)

If someone wants to FaceTime me they can text me a link to the call and I open it on the iPad.

Like, all the features that make iMessage/Facetime unique can be replicated if you don’t care about tap backs, bubble color, and memoji . Save the encryption, but I imagine most people back that up on iCloud so they can be searched.

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It’s because the proposed changes would give the UK government de-facto authority to dictate how security and encryption are implemented.

…a provision that would give the UK government oversight of security changes to its products, including regular iOS software updates. The Home Office consultation proposes “mandating” operators to notify the home secretary of changes to a service that could have a “negative impact on investigatory powers”.

It would mean in practice that the UK would dictate how Apple employs encryption around the globe, unless Apple was willing to fork their software and build/maintain a UK-only branch for their products.

Which still wouldn’t solve the issue because if you interacted with someone over any of those protocols who was in the UK, your messages and data would be accessible by the UK government, regardless of the other party’s location.

I’m with Apple on this. This isn’t a consumer-focused piece of legislation for repairability/interoperability like some of the newer EU legislation, this is a government trying to ensure they have the technical ability to spy on their citizens and others. It’s the definition of anti-consumer.

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Holy shit! That’s what I get for reading only the headline.

That’s spooky.

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The worst part is even if they perfectly implement this, it would stop only the dumbest of criminals. Encryption algorithms are open source, and can just be used as such. You cant stop the criminals from using math, which is why the bill actually achieves nothing.

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Are they going to change to usb-c? My moneys still on them going full wireless instead.

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I thought they already announced they’re going with usb-c on the new iPhone.

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