Vice President Kamala Harris said in a meeting Saturday with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi that Washington will not allow for the forced relocation of Palestinians or any redrawing of the current border of the Gaza Strip.

“Under no circumstances will the United States permit the forced relocation of Palestinians from Gaza or the West Bank, the besiegement of Gaza, or the redrawing of the borders of Gaza,” Harris said, according to a statement from the vice president’s office.

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And what will the US do to prevent it then? Cut funding? Cut military aid? Declare War on Terror?

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Nobody wants it to happen, the truth is that even the Arab world wants Palestine beaten and shoved into a corner, so they can keep using them as an excuse to hate. They don’t actually care about Palestinians, neither does Europe, that’s why they don’t want refugees or take in Palestinians who want out.

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Citations?

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so many replies to this and yet not one of them has a link. i wonder why they’re having so much trouble backing up their positions

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Well for one, Egypt was refusing most people fleeing the gaza strip, but that’s to be expected when 1.5 Million people try to leave at once.

Egypt is also responsible for the terrorist organization that more or less runs the strip and attacked the festival a month ago, they were originally Egyptian.

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Lol nobody shits on Muslims as much as other Muslims. Take Xinjiang, for example. Nobody fucking cares. Arabs always hated Palestinians too. Israel supplied more humanitarian aid to Gaza than whole of Muslim world combined (gifts to Hamas don’t count as humanitarian aid).

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The Arab world has already taken millions of Palestinians.

Pretty sure those countries doesn’t want yet more for:

  • the same reason no country wants a higher per capita percentage of refugees these days and

  • because they don’t want to give Israel and the US excuses to drone bomb them looking for HAMAS terrorists and

  • countries on the border with Israel don’t want it to have a reason for coming over their borders all the time, because that would likely end in border redrawings

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What do you mean you won’t permit it? You mean you will actually try to stop Israel from doing it? Will you stop giving Israel money?

Or are you just going to do nothing?

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No she just means Israel will have to kill them all.

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That’s what I got from this.

Shitty how politics has become nothing but coded language that we need to decipher to figure out what’s really going on.

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Politics has always been about spin

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Shitty how politics has become nothing but coded language that we need to decipher to figure out what’s really going on.

If you think that’s actually what she meant I’d love to hear what you think about the moon landing

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Israel: k we’ll just kill them all then. Thanks for the money and weapons btw

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Relocation wont make US any money. Conflict will

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The Israel-Palestine conflict does not make money for the US, the country. It makes money for a minority of people who have significant shares in companies from the military industry, who are enriching themselves from the taxes of their fellow citizens to finance Israel’s policies.

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It already is

Only for the ruling class of capitalist corporations and their owners though.

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I think palestinian relocation is more of a threat to western european refugee systems, if anything. Those consequences would be rotten.

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This might be the first time I’ve heard a demand imposed on Israel from the US during this recent escalation. Hopefully, the first of many.

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i wonder if it was a coincidence it wasnt biden

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They make Kamala say all the stuff that they fear might backfire. She was also put in charge of stopping illegal immigration, knowing they really didn’t have any way to actually do it.

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Mere talk is not “imposing” anything.

The politcians in power in the US are just using talkie-talk to try to hold off potential problems with a significant portion of their natural voters’ outright abhorring Genocide and thus being unwilling to vote them back into power in the upcoming elections due to their support for those activelly comitting one.

Talk is the cheapest way there is to project an impression one way whilst continuing to act in exactly the opposite way.

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Is it “mere talk” when Biden says US support for Israel is unconditional? No, we can and should criticize him for that because those words encourage Israel to act without restraint. But, conversely, when the US signals that they will not support actions like forced relocation, we should also see that as a corrective, not “mere talk”.

To your point, in IR theory, there also exists phenomena such as the paradox of empty promises, where making unfulfilled promises can worsen human rights. But that claim is more nuanced: the problem occurs when promises are empty. That doesn’t mean all promises are empty or promising doesn’t matter. Public declarations are a necessary step (but insufficient on their own) to justify further action.

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Your oversimplified what I wrote and then from that highly reductive take you built an overcomplicated argument.

If certain statements are reliably not followed by action that further the state objectives then “they’re all talk”, if they are reliably followed by such action then they’re not.

Whilst statements by themselves can logically neither be accepted as trully meant nor dismissed as “just talk” in the absence of any track record at all (i.e. first time your hear such things from such people) because there has not yet been time to observe if they’re followed by action or inaction leading to a conclusion about the statements being meant or “just talk”, when there is a track record one can most certainly extrapolate the likelihood of such statements now being meant or “just talk” if in the past such actors reliably followed such statements with action or inaction.

As it so happen, US Administrations, Democrat and Republican, including those were Biden was, invariably followed statements were they claimed they were going to make Israel do or not do something, with no effective action towards their state objectives or even with actions which were counter those objectives.

In fact the there not being a 2 state solution in Palestine even though various US Adminidtrations claimed to favour it is exactly because NOT ONCE has any of those Administrations acted to punish the Israeli Government for their actions against the Oslo Agreements, quite the contrary: Israel has kept being supported economically and military all the while it acted against the wished stated by the various US Administrations.

It is thus entirelly logical to expect that statements from the US Administration about imposing anything on Israel are “just talk”, and totally illogical to ignore the track record of decades of “stating one objective and the acting in opposition to it” by the US with regards to Israel.

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“Demand” from the otherwise completely powerless VP.

Seems legit

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Yeah, it’s a long way from sufficient, but this is huge progress from active support for genocide.

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Call me when they stop actively supporting genocide. Empty words are empty.

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Kinda silly in my opinion. What exactly do they think the systematic destruction of Gaza is? People should live in the rubble?

They can’t rebuild since those kinds of tools could be used for weapons according to Israel.

I see a lot of similarities between WWII Jewish ghettos and modern day Gaza. It looks like an aggregate oppressed becomes the oppressor syndrome, but I’m probably wrong.

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