This makes me 😭
UPDATE: Thanks @nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de for this update: The issue has now been commented on and was closed by the maintainer, where they explained why those blocks would be nonsense. But it appears the OP wants to still talk with maintainer privately about it.
If a website won’t allow me to register with my protonmail , I will just not used that website.
Yep.
I’ve already run into a few. I mentally thank them for preventing me from wasting my time and money with them.
Is this going to be the response every time this shit happens until we’re all just sitting on Lemmy twiddling our thumbs? The arrogance feels like it’s downplaying the seriousness of the problem, and it’s annoying to see it recited so much.
In a lot of cases, you may not have a choice of using the site or not. In cases where you do have a choice, eventually most if not all the alternatives can do the same shit if it becomes normalized.
API is letting these types of filter lists become shared easily, too. Sites may not even make a conscious decision to filter out proton, it may just happen because their filters are pulling from lists like this.
The problem is the trend. And try as you may, you can not fully escape that.
And since people won’t use the website, the website won’t use the list. So the list would be useless.
The maintainer seems to have followed the same interpretation, weighing legitimate use against spam use. This is the official response to the issue as of 8h ago:
Dear Contributors,
We value your suggestions for expanding our list of disposable email providers. Your input is crucial in enhancing our tool’s capabilities.
Decision on Gmail and ProtonMail Inclusion
After thorough evaluation, we have resolved not to include Gmail and ProtonMail in our list. Our rationale is based on the following technical and operational considerations:
1. **Reputation and Reliability** * **Gmail and ProtonMail**: Established, reputable providers with a high trust level for personal and professional communication. * **Distinction**: Unlike typical disposable email services, they offer long-term, reliable email solutions. 2. **Active Abuse and Spam Prevention Mechanisms** * **Effective Systems**: Both providers have robust mechanisms to detect and mitigate abuse and spam. * **Proactive Monitoring**: Ensures a secure email environment, reducing the prevalence of malicious activities. 3. **Commercial Intent of Typical Disposable Email Providers** * **Focus**: Targeting providers driven by ad revenue, facilitating spam/abuse. * **Gmail and ProtonMail's Model**: User-centric, not primarily ad-driven. 4. **Domain Limitations** * **Effectiveness**: Limited domain offerings by Gmail and ProtonMail make them less susceptible to misuse. * **Strategy**: Focusing on providers with extensive, rotating domain lists for more impactful filtering. 5. **Individual User Accountability** * **Accountability Measures**: Both services have mechanisms to penalize users violating terms, decreasing misuse risks.Summary and Next Steps
Including Gmail and ProtonMail does not align with our criteria for identifying disposable email services. Our aim is to target services significantly contributing to online spam and abuse, without impacting legitimate email services. We have reviewed your list and agree on adding some providers, like internxt.com (Reference). We will also incorporate the obvious choices from the tail of your list. We apologize for the delay in addressing this issue but intend to promptly resolve it by focusing on the most impactful additions.
GitHub blocked me from registering with a Proton domain:
Our abuse detecting systems flagged your account because of the email address you used to register the account. Before we can remove the flag we need you to add and verify a personal, non-disposable, non-aliased email address.
Damn, that guy’s fucking dumb lmao
But also, is 7c/fakefilter even popular? It seems to barely have a following on GitHub to begin with. Seems pretty over the top to claim that PM and SL (and any other provider on that list) will get blocked from registering on websites.
The npm package has about 4000 weekly downloads. I don’t know what that means in terms of popularity.
I know it probably predates String.prototype.padStart(), but it boggles my mind that people aren’t just using the standard one.
Sick of sites requiring an account, email or phone number. Makes the web even more unfriendly. I hope temporary emails can always get around filters, as if you play stupid games you should win stupid prices.
I was in a club and had to open an account to open a tab, they asked me for my government number ID, pretty standard, but then they started asking for phone number, age, email, Instagram account and I was like wtf, I just want a bottle of water!
Where do you live that providing your government id to a business is standard? In Germany, the only one outside of a judge to be allowed to request that is law enforcement ( even then only with proper cause ). Of course, some businesses are legally required to request and process your ID number ( e.g. when booking international flights, medical insurance companies etc), but these are under tight federal control and supervision to ensure data safety.
Age verification sometimes is a thing for purchasing 18+ things ( media or drugs like alcohol & smokes), but even then businesses will only ever perform a visual check of the date of birth on your ID. Technically they can never demand to hold your ID, not even for a short time just to better read the date. You only have to show them your ID. And actually recording and/or storing any of that information would be insanely illegal.
Germany / Europe might have its issues, but we at least try and take our freedom and data privacy serious. I would never dream of handing my ID to a generic business like a club for anything more than the age check.
It’s in Brazil and is pretty standard. There’s different IDs here, the most common one is called CPF and is used for financial transactions, is the number that identify you with the tax agency. In some things you can denied it, like in the pharmacy, but in other ones not, like buying a TV or car.
they asked me my government number ID, pretty standard
How very dystopian.
If you’re ordering alcohol, completely ordinary
Or maybe that’s what you were saying and I missed the sarcasm, idk
I tried to report an issue in GitLab. I needed to input my phone number and payment information to create an account. WTF? No thanks, I’ll just not report the issue.
do you guys not have phones
When buying stuff online I find 0101etc works. Public numbers used to work fine for other things but not so much these days. If that doesn’t work I usually don’t give a damn about the service at that point (e.g. ShatGPT) #TeamBots
Sick of sites requiring an account, email or phone number.
Blame bots. The other day we had a post about how 70% of account creation processes on sites are started by bots. Imagine that if you didn’t even need confirmation.
What if account creation was local (e.g. Git and keys)?
If no data needs to be stored then no account is needed. Use the system where there is a unique indentifier based on the password.
Use the system where there is a unique indentifier based on the password.
Never heard of this, how does that work?
the discussion is happening here: https://github.com/7c/fakefilter/issues/73
Someone working at Proton has commented on the issue, the list maintainer wanted to take the discussion with proton private so we have only a few posts from them.
If you want my personal take:
It’s very clear how the list maintainer opposes anonymity in the internet in any form, which I see as an attack on freedom, journalism and activism.
I’m not a fan of Protonmail of any sort and in fact I consider that their privacy is lacking… but I really hope they can talk some sense into this guy. This block list seems to be used by a lot of webs that will start blocking virtually every private email provider.
(Edit: I assumed the person that posted the email list was a maintainer, but they don’t seem to have a “contributor” or “owner” badge, so idk. Maybe they are just very angry at privacy and anonymity on the internet)
What do you consider to be a good privacy focused email solution that allows anonymity?
They’re talking out their bum. It’s as private as any email service can be.
important to emphasize here that email is inherently not very private. Proton is one of the best email providers for privacy, but for things you really need to be private (eg organizing protests in less-than-friendly countries) you shouldn’t use email at all.
Nope. Refer the links below.
https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/07/protonmail_hands_user_ip_address_police/
As a paying customer, it’s good if you want a burner email address that forwards to your actual email address. Not sure if they’re offering full blown mailing servers now, though. Pretty much does what I need it to do, personally.
What do you consider to be a good privacy focused email solution that allows anonymity?
These lists are used by platforms to try and cut down on spam/bot account signups. This isn’t a thing done for signups by the vast majority of platforms out there, but the API verification steps IS becoming more prevalent I suppose. I just got rejected for using a Protonmail domain to buy something outright on a very popular pet supplies platform the other day, but…eh.
They’ll just lose my business and get a stern customer support email then. I don’t do business with companies that exclude Proton/Tutanota/Skiff emails.
It’s very clear how the list maintainer opposes anonymity in the internet in any form,
why would anyone ever be like this?
Someone working at Proton has commented on the issue, the list maintainer wanted to take the discussion with proton private so we have only a few posts from them.
They’re not the maintainer.
Am I the one one thinking this post is blowing the topic way out of proportion?
The post title is clickbait in its purest form: nothing is being blocked (from what even). There is a single issue raised on some obscure filter list… This has no consequences whatsoever. I am wondering why Protonmail even bothers to comment on this issue…
