• A new Android app called Beeper Mini allows users to send iMessages as blue bubbles from non-Apple devices.
• Beeper Mini bypasses traditional iMessage hacks by directly sending iMessages from Android devices.
• The app has been praised for its smooth functionality, sending messages seamlessly between Android and iPhone users.
Exactly. I don’t understand the interest and effort put in these makeshift solutions to integrate into a closed ecosystem managed by a company with so little interest in building interoperable solutions.
They’re a cancer to the computing industry that is metastasizing, let’s not help them at that.
Fuck apple and their walled garden.
I don’t disagree with you, but open source has a long history of this sort of hostile forced-interoperability. Look at stuff like uBlock, there’s a real case to be made that it shouldn’t need to exist, and yet someone built it. Hostile “patching” of proprietary systems is not ideal, but fix barriers help in the short term.
Crazy to think this is just because of a different colored bubble
Crazy to think people actually believe this has anything at all to do with bubble colors.
When people don’t know how things work, and can only associate bubble color with bad images, video, and group messaging issues, then bubble color is meaningful.
It’s not the color of the bubble. It’s the downgraded chat experience: grainy pictures, pixelated videos, and no E2EE.
Our kid was at a sleepover, recently. We got a video of all the kids playing together, but because it wasn’t iPhone to iPhone the video was a low resolution pixelated mess.
So, it’s an issue of Apple intentionally withering down the quality if it’s not iPhone-iPhone, rather than “incompatibility”
No… When you send a “blue bubble” photo on an iPhone the file size is around 1.5MB. When you send a “green bubble” photo I think they’re resized down to less than 300KB.
Any photo larger than that won’t be delivered by some carriers. Also while iMessage photos default to HEIF format - the same compression algorithm as Blue Ray videos - MMS uses JPEG which doesn’t have a target file size feature. All you have is the width/height in pixels and an arbitrary “quality” scale.
To guarantee your photo will never be over 300KB you need to set the width/height/quality to a number that will often be under 100KB… and that’s what Apple does.
Android has a size setting, and you’ll get a delivery failure error if you set it too high for the recipient’s carrier… a lot of carriers do support larger photos… But Apple doesn’t bother with that - they want it to “just work”. Which means 100KB for green bubble photos.
The reality is quality is always going to suffer - converting an image from HEIF to JPEG is a bad idea - it’ll never look anywhere near as good as the original no matter what resolution or quality the compression is set to.
Also… iPhones don’t even take ordinary photos… by default every “photo” is a short video. When you send those to another iPhone, they get the video. Green bubbles either get a still image or worse a 100KB five second video.
“Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity”
It’s obvious they’re restricting the quality but it could be that they implemented the MMS handling in 2008, when other phones could only support 3gp and the carriers couldn’t handle high bandwidth. I’d bet they haven’t bothered to update it since, and do the absolute bare minimum to keep it compliant with the carriers.
Because Apple decided all media over SMS should be sent in a shitty downgraded form.
This is all on Apple wanting to make iMessage look better than SMS, and Apple look better than everyone else (and to be fair, iMessage is the right approach to the SMS issue, just not as a walled-garden version).
iOS can’t send hi quality videos or images over SMS. It’s a choice made by Apple.
I can send large videos (more than 50mb, for sure) over SMS from my Android phone on Verizon to a Verizon iPhone. They receive it in same quality. When they send it back, the iPhone butchers it.
Verizon, unlike other carriers, doesn’t seem to have an MMS size limit.
So Apple and carriers are to blame for this.
Yeah, my sister-in-law has an iPhone and all of my wife’s pics and videos turn to garbage in transit. For the longest my SIL just thought Android cameras were terrible and it locked her in to iPhones at upgrade time - which is exactly what Apple intended.
That’s the carrier requiring really rediculously small sizes for MMS.
If I remember correctly AT&T is still limiting videos to 2MB tops. Which is crazy.
If they’d sent a link instead of the video itself you’d have seen the whole thing though.
Which is more convenient?
And this is 2023, why shouldn’t I be able to just send a video straight to another person if they’re the only one seeing it?
I don’t support big grey making that decision for me
Hate to say it but who gives a fuck?
Just use signal.
After 3 years of use of signal, I have converted my Mom which cares about privacy too from shows she seen. Which allowed us to convert my Brother, with it being the main discussion app. I also converted my SO because of a problem we had on messenger that was scary, finally I was able to move my Best friend, which is also a member of the DND group I started which moved to Signal because others (Brother, Best Friend) where already on Signal
I got lucky. Back when that privacy scare with Whatsapp made mainstream news my Aunt asked in the extended family chat what alternatives there were. I responded that I use SIgnal with my friends (all 2 of them on Signal at the time) and just like that everybody switched. 2 hours later my entire paternal family are on Signal, and still are.
The hardest thing about switching communication apps is that you have to convince everyone you talk with to switch as well. I’m stuck in WhatsApp because that’s what my friends and family all use.
Right? I feel it’s really snobby and disingenuous to just snap back and say “just ditch that and use so and so messaging app”, as if messaging platforms didn’t require your direct peers to also use them. As long as messaging platforms operate as walled gardens, we have little say on what apps we use. We’re at the mercy of the general populace and that’s all there is to it, at least until the DMA changes things. I really tried to make people jump ship from WhatsApp to telegram during what seemed like a mass exodus from even businesses (yeah bad choice but I didn’t know back then), ended up back on WhatsApp some 3 months later with my tail between my legs, nobody stayed on telegram even though a ton of people downloaded it and jumped in. Now imagine trying to get them all to use a privacy-focused app that gives them a hard time using it in multiple devices. Convenience is the reason why Meta, Apple, Google, MSFT, etc. are on top. You can’t expect the general populace to sacrifice it for privacy, not after continuously giving up freedom and privacy for the sake of convenience for decades in the digital space.
People who say that are essentially saying “stop using the messaging app that allows you to talk to everyone regardless of platform and use a proprietary walled garden where you can only talk with those people also using that same app.”
At least the iPhone messages app lets you send SMS and iMessage, switching seamlessly.
I just said fuck it one day, deleted WhatsApp and explained to family and friends why I did it. Slowly but surely, almost everyone switched.
But I do realize this will not work for everybody. Your contacts have the same right to use their phone as they see fit as you do, after all. And this kind of freedom is something super important, too.
Gotta find the compromise that works for both parties. If there is one to find, that is.
There’s been some social discrimination occurring around people who don’t have blue messages being excluded, or being seen as poor. Not a great use base but the fact I am even aware of blue Vs green messages means some people do.
This is the only semi-legitimate reason I can get behind. For kids in grade-school.
If anybody outside of grade-school brings this up, I would laugh and ignore.
The fact that people are using iMessage for group chats is which a weird concept to me.
That’s what discord, WhatsApp and Facebook messenger are for.
If anyone adds my primary text message service number to a group chat they are being blocked. Gross.
https://www.androidpolice.com/messenger-wasting-battery-background-tests/
https://www.lifewire.com/how-facebook-messenger-apps-drains-battery-3880043
The app is constantly doing shit in the background (god knows what. You give permission to access your shit when you install it) to the point where there is significant noticeable battery drain. No thanks.
Now, maybe they’ve fixed that issue since, but we know that the “fix” would be focused on hiding it better rather than stopping the activity.
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It’s primarily not an active choice. For most iPhone users, it’s just what’s installed, so it’s what they use. The idea that there might be other options doesn’t really occur to them; iMessage came out before any of the other options really became popular, it worked well enough, and it was preinstalled, so that’s what people learned to use.
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I don’t know what sort of people you are getting into group chats with, but for me it’s not exactly people I can just decide to block on a whim. Family groups, employer groups, friends I was already friends with and would lose contact with if I blocked. I’m not going to torpedo my job and all of those relationships by making a big deal over what messaging service we use, even if their use of iMessage makes my experience worse.
I wouldn’t block them, but I’d be leaving the group chat.
As if i want my default sms texting app to be getting spammed by a big group chat.
Also the default at least here in Australia is pretty much Facebook messenger or maybe WhatsApp not because anyone likes it, but because everyone already has a Facebook account even if they don’t use it much.
Also it means you can easily have group chats with people who you need to communicate with but you don’t really want to have your number.
What a ridiculous notion to be using a platform specific service for a group chat, unless you are deciding your friends group or work colleagues based on the phone they use which again seems unfathomable.
I am an iPhone user, in Australia and i have seen precisely zero iMessage chat groups even attempt to be created. Because everyone knows it’s a shitty pain in the ass service if someone doesn’t have an iPhone.
We all blame apple for that as we should not the android user. How it ended up inverted in the US is beyond me but it’s backwards af.
This whole thing is a non issue being caused by lack of thought and logic of the users apparently almost exclusively in the USA
Personally i wish the default here was discord or signal but messenger is still far better than iMessage at least from a cross platform usability standpoint.
I wouldn’t block them, but I’d be leaving the group chat.
That still means losing out on a lot of general life stuff. Just, overall.
As if i want my default sms texting app to be getting spammed by a big group chat.
I guess I don’t see how that’s made any different by the group chat being in a different app. I can turn notifications off or make them silent in either case.
Also the default at least here in Australia is pretty much Facebook messenger or maybe WhatsApp not because anyone likes it, but because everyone already has a Facebook account even if they don’t use it much.
Right. But everyone who has a phone has a phone number for texting.
Also it means you can easily have group chats with people who you need to communicate with but you don’t really want to have your number.
Yep, that’s definitely an advantage. I’m not trying to sell you on SMS or iMessage, I’m just trying to explain why it’s popular over here.
What a ridiculous notion to be using a platform specific service for a group chat, unless you are deciding your friends group or work colleagues based on the phone they use which again seems unfathomable.
Uh…wait. I don’t see how that’s different from Facebook or WhatsApp. Especially since iMessage does send messages to users on other devices, it’s just a worse experience for the recipient. Meta is still a platform, it’s just one you access by way of a username connected to your web activity instead of one you access by way of purchasing a specific device.
I am an iPhone user, in Australia and i have seen precisely zero iMessage chat groups even attempt to be created. Because everyone knows it’s a shitty pain in the ass service if someone doesn’t have an iPhone.
I’m glad people are so aware over there, but over here it’s very uncommon for people to even be conscious of what phones their friends use. So an app that works well enough, as far as they can tell, is going to be the accepted default.
We all blame apple for that as we should not the android user. How it ended up inverted in the US is beyond me but it’s backwards af.
Because marketing.
This whole thing is a non issue being caused by lack of thought and logic of the users apparently almost exclusively in the USA
No, it’s caused intentionally by Apple. They spent billions of dollars cultivating that perception in America, and it’s paid off for them.
Personally i wish the default here was discord or signal but messenger is still far better than iMessage at least from a cross platform usability standpoint.
Yeah, and I wish the default here was pretty much anything else too. Like I said, I’m not trying to convince you. Just explaining the situation.
