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Good, they dont want germany to be filled woth terrorist, ask the UK how are they doing :)

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this headline is highly misleading! First of all its only one (!) state in germany, also a very far right one and those rules only apply for that very state.

The other thing is you do not have to ‘support’ Israel you have to accept Israel as a independent state, their borders, that they are allowed to defend themselves and you shouldn’t say or take part in antisemitism related activities.

You can still criticize Israel very much for the way they are fighting the Hamas and the civilian casualties that they are causing, you don’t have to say yes and amen to everything Israel is doing and also you don’t have to support them. You are just not allowed to debugger their existence…

And I highly doubt that our other states will follow this in any way…

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I wonder which borders have to be accepted, the 1967 borders? Genuinely curious… Whenever they expand settlements into the West Bank or annex parts of Gaza, do you have to re-certify that you accept their borders and right to defend themselves?

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Why do Israelis have such a disproportionate influence over public opinion?

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Israel is a Western conservative investment. They’re a group of brown people, who happen to be the best of the brown people but still brown.
After WWII we carved out a piece of land in the middle east and gave it to them. Nevermind all the other people already living there though, they’re the bad kind of brown people.
And how do we keep all those brown people in line?
Give boatloads of cash and guns to the “tolerable” brown people and keep them fighting amongst themselves. Keep this up for 75 years and you now have a situation that requires you keep dumping money and guns into it otherwise you destabilize the middle east, the region responsible for supplying a majority of the lubricant that keeps the global economy running.
Destabilize the petroleum supply and you destabilize a major share of the global economy.
Destabilize the global economy enough and you’ve created the perfect conditions for another world war.

Tl;Dr:
The United States has been meddling in Middle Eastern politics for so long that quitting cold turkey would create an uncontrollable situation.

How do we fix it?
Beats the hell out of me, I didn’t make this mess and it’s not my job to help them fucking clean it up.

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How do we fix it? Israel shot themselves in the foot by keeping the Palestinians divided and ensuring that a two state solution can not be viable. Therefore, the UN needs to step in and implement a one state solution. Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank would be given citizenship and representation in a combined state. UN peacekeeping forces would have to fight against groups of terrorists (both Hamas and Israeli) who oppose this solution.

Israel has the right to exist, but no one has an inherent right to an apartied ethno-state. The combined state would have a more equal amount of Jews and Arabs, so the Israelis would be unable to oppress the Palestinians the way they currently do.

Is this a popular solution? No. Will anyone seriously argue that a two state solution is still viable and that Israel will work towards that? No.

The idea of a Palestine controlled by the UN was actually part of the original plan for the region that the British drew up, before they decided to use the Zionists as a convenient tool to screw over the Arabs.

The current state of affairs weakens the entire idea of the United Nations as a tool for preventing major worldwide conflicts. If Israel continues to get away with ignoring international law, and if the US continues to veto UN resolutions that seek to hold Israel accountable, it contributes to moving the world closer to WW3.

People will say that the situation is much more complicated than just “European colonizers oppress yet another group of brown people”. Fine, if that is true then that is a good reason why the US should not be taking one side over the other, and the US government should back out and let the UN do what needs to be done.

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Germany is notorious for murdering millions of Jews. Them taking a pro-Isreal stance is not surprising. Forever guilty and all that.

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Maybe it’s time to grow up for them too…

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Maybe everyone should read more history books (or wiki articles and reputable YouTube channels). 70 years is not ancient history.

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There is a CATEGORY difference, between:

  • Not supporting Hamas

vs

  • Supporting what UN officials have openly called genocide.

I would have expected Germany to not require people to support genocide??

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/how-many-palestinians-have-died-gaza-war-how-will-counting-continue-2023-12-06/

??

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Blocked you cause of that weird signature thing you do.

It’s pretty annoying, lol.

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I’m sure they’re devastated to hear it

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Good. I hope there are further tests of the applicants’ world view in place, but that’s a start.

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This will immediately give rise to “nation’s values”, which will always suspiciosly coincide with what people in power want them to be.

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Like what? Test their aryan origins?

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I did specify world view, did I not? A credible commitment to the rule of law, democracy, secular politics, and to the rules-based international order would be a start. I don’t think we should award citizenship to anyone who can’t even make lip service to these principles.

edit: smart selection process on the part of that German state actually. Screening out people who would deny Israel the right to exist probably also catches a lot of those who would fail some of the above requirements.

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Pathetic. All these but for one country alone? And you are not even joking, are you? You’re totally serious…

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