Twitch allowing more nudity after disproportionately banning female streamers | Twitch confirmed its policy banning nudity was sexist.::Twitch confirmed its policy banning nudity was sexist.

37 points

I’m gonna get downvoted, but this culture where teenagers can form parasocial relationships with what are essentially softcore pornstars and a culture where women can very easily become pornstars isn’t healthy.

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I believe some of them are on websites like OnlyFans, which can be real porn if they decide to do so. I imagine being on Twitch is a method to be discovered.

I also agree with what you said. I also dislike how pornographic content is served right next to normal innocent content. It’s like having porn channels on TV right next to the family channels.

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2 points

I can argue that everyone on Only fans is a pornstar, just that some are softcore pornstars. On the flip side some are prostitutes.

Twitch IMO is fucked up in a different way. This is a platform that pre-pubescent children frequently use. Allowing for nudity essentially creates a pipeline where kids hit puberty, form parasocial relationships with pornstars, and get unhealthy ideas about women.

Like in the past there used to be a lot more of a disconnect. Like if you went on pornhub, you were explicitly going to watch porn. The porn videos were well known to be completely over dramatized to the point where it can’t be taken as a realistic depiction of sex. The porn stars were explicitly porn stars. You had no idea about their personality and there was no concept of getting an emotional connection to them. There also was a general acknowledgement, even among the most liberal circles, that sex work was incredibly unhealthy.

Nowadays all of this shit is not only normalized to an insane degree, but the line between fiction and reality has been blurred to an insane degree.

Every time this comes up someone says “Oh what’s the harm? PRUDE”. There are some things that are harmful in ways that are difficult to explain, and not at all immediately clear. I feel like our current sex culture is a good example of that.

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54 points
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29 points

Not enough apparently

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7 points

I can do this. EQUALITY!!!

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22 points

Interesting how we’ve gone from “expecting nudity from women is sexist” to “NOT expecting nudity from women is sexist”.

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5 points

How in gods green earth did you mangle that point out of this story

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Well, in my experience from using Twitch it’s predominantly female streamers who do these kind of streams, so if there’s a policy against it, it would make sense that it would affect mostly women. That’s not sexist in and of itself.

But when you say that the policy is sexist because it affects mostly women, it implies that its unfair not to expect women to engage in nudity, doesn’t it.

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No, no it really doesnt. Not even a little bit.

If thats what it implies to you, I need you to call up your high school lit teacher and apologize for failing to learn a single thing in their classroom.

And then maybe invest in some picture books

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2 points

You would have a point, except twitch very clearly had double standards of treatment for male and female streamers prior to this.

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Telling women what they can, can’t, must, or mustn’t wear is the sexist part

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20 points

I don’t think that’s the message at all. It’s disproportionately punishing women for nudity that is sexist.

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17 points

Unless the women are disproportionately engaging in nudity.

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1 point

That’s what’s hard to gage. Likely due to what we consider nude on a woman isn’t on a man. A shirtless man is completely acceptable, but a woman isn’t. The discrepancy is cultural and the culture is discriminatory. This isn’t going to change anytime soon.

The sensible thing would be to accept that what we consider appropriate for a man isn’t for a woman. But this will always be pointed out as sexist. You could ban all nudity except arms, neck and knees down. But this will be criticised as excessive.

You could also allow all nudity as long as the context isn’t sexual. However, twitch has a large market for sexual content particularly from people who may be limited from accessing that content like minors. So theres a large finical incentive for anyone to try to exploit allowed nudity.

Twitch likely want and encourage some of this content, as it drives engagement and thus profit. However, they want to minimise the legal/moral/reputation issues associated with delivering this content.

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41 points

Why is twitch becoming a cam soft porn site? It was supposed to be about gaming. I just want to watch people play games.

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10 points

It hasn’t been strictly gaming for many years,

What is interesting is if you don’t click on or watch those streams Twitch doesn’t recommend them to you.

A lot of the complaining is often just an unaware self report which is kinda funny.

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3 points

No, they’ll definitely still show on the front page if under Just Chatting, even if you log out, open a private window, or use a different computer altogether. It’s basically random, as far as I can tell, or just showing popular streams (or both).

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Sure, but you should be aware that logging out, using a private window, or a different computer are all sure fire ways to ensure it acts as close to randomly or popular as possible.

The 18+ streams shouldn’t be freely advertised until the user has identified themselves as 18+ at any rate.

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See people said this about tiktok too and while for the most part it’s true they’ll still push it in your face every now and then.

I’ve blocked or clicked “not interested” on every clearly sexualized video yet they keep showing up.

They recommend what’s popular. The biggest issue is there’s enough simps with endless money watching these streamers/content creators that they’re not going away anytime soon

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I don’t use tiktok and haven’t ever so I’ll have to take your word on that.

I suspect ignoring content is way more influential to the algorithm. But at the same time I spend relatively little to no time just browsing streamer channels.

It really seems like seeing something sexy every now and then isn’t really pushing it into faces. But if anything I do not think Twitch is readily prepared or equipped to adequately sequester their 18+ content given the absolute reliance on users and streamers to self report their content and access to it.

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3 points

Cash money, son

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10 points

Your comment insinuates that you have trouble finding gamers on the platform, as if there’s a finite limit on creator count and the gamers are getting pushed out by non-gaming creators, which is obviously not the case.

Is it a matter of going to Twitch for games but then getting roped in by the porn instead? If so, that’s pretty funny tbh.

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1 point

It’s mostly that the front page is increasingly being titty streamers, which really isn’t a problem, but isn’t super fun to land on every day.

It’s also heavily pushed in recommendations if other viewers of a stream you’re watching are regular watchers (ex. I’m watching shroud, but a ton of shrouds viewers also watch titty streamers, so I must want to as well)

Honestly it’s just more annoying than anything else. There’s no viewership loss implications for streamers, despite what some scream about.

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1 point

I don’t use twitch anymore. And porn doesn’t need to be everywhere. There’s a place for it. There’s nothing wrong with specific platforms. I wouldn’t want a restaurant that sold porn in the back rooms either.

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14 points

goes on Twitch

finds game

watches someone play it

At some point in there I completely ignored all the discount OnlyFans over on IRL and Just Chatting tags.

That said: An opt-in with specific categories would halt a lot of the people complaining. Been awhile since I’ve dug into websites design, though thay shouldn’t be too difficult to implement, especially as they already have tags.

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2 points

There’s a lot of good content under the umbrella of. Just chatting. From scam baiters to glassblowers and musicians, all trying to do their best to attract viewers.

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35 points

You’re in luck! There are millions of people playing games on Twitch. Who knew?

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1 point

Definitely not RabbePompano.

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32 points

Well, you see, it turned out that people are far more willing to fork over money when they get to see boobs instead of noobs.

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79 points

I’m all for allowing nudity in general, but it would be nice if you could actually block it or at least remove it from your recommendations.

One time I accidently clicked on one of these bathtub streamers and since then there always is one in my recommendation, with no way to remove it. I literally had to install a browser extention “Unwanted Twitch” to finally get rid of it.

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Allowing you to block them would also be sexist of you. You need to be reeducated by showing you even more of them to correct your sexism.

It’s a circular game and in the end, nobody wins.

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9 points

Wat

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24 points

My home page is literally bathtub streamers and horny VR chat streamers, I think it’s because I watch VR chat meme streamers (lolathon, darrenzeus) and the algorithm just thinks that means I want horny shit. I’ll have to look at that extension.

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1 point

That’s it. If other viewers of streamers you watch are watching those streams, it’ll push them to you

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8 points

It’s crazy to me that Twitch doesn’t natively have an option to blur thumbnails based on content tags, yet HAS mature content tags (for M-rated games). This service launched in 2011.

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