Other right-wing accounts variously reacted by describing the move as Orwellian, lamenting the death of free speech and even contemplating leaving Canada for good.
Oh no. Not that. Please no.
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even contemplating leaving Canada for good.
Hello, yes, LGBT person stuck in Texas here. Can I have their house please? I don’t really like the cold, but if it means I don’t have to feel scared about coming out of the closet then I could deal with it.
litter boxes
Not who you’re replying to, but fuck, I forgot about that conspiracy.
Ughhhh. I’m not LGBT, but I hate how they are mistreated and the fucking mental gymnastics and lengths people will do to hate you guys. It’s fucking despicable.
Grindr account -> harrassment
Jesus, that’s shitty.
Some dudes play the long game to get you to open up and then they post all of your stuff on the town pages and stuff calling you a groomer or a pedo. And the worst part is that most people believe the first thing they see/hear/read so all it takes is one rumour or malicious post and your entire life in the town is upside down. Can’t leave the house to go to the grocery store without someone sneering or making a remark.
Rural Atlantic Canada is absolutely fucked and it wasn’t even this bad 3 years ago when I moved here. Looking to make my exit plan in the next year or so.
I’ve got trans friends and family. I’m legitimately worried about their future
No offense by I’m littery worried about everyone’s future. It just seems the world is hell bent on diving off a cliff.
I fully agree that Canada’s not a progressive safe haven, but I think for now queer people are still better off pretty much anywhere in Canada than in Texas. Let’s all agree that this isn’t much of an accomplishment.
However, I live in New-Brunswick, whose Conservative government has been at the forefront of the recent uprise in anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric in Canada. At work, I wear a pronoun pin. I’ve worn dresses and nail polish (as a person who was AMAB) out anywhere, from sketchy clubs downtown to Tim Horton’s in rural villages. I’ve been made to feel uncomfortable at times, sure, but I’ve very rarely felt truly unsafe being visibly queer in Canada. From the perspectives of southern American queers I’ve read, that doesn’t seem to be the experience in places like Texas (outside of progressive bubbles such as Austin).
That’s not to say the situation in Canada vis-à-vis LGTBQ+ rights and well-being isn’t incredibly worrying. With folks like Blaine Higgs, Scott Moe, and potentially Pierre Poilievre running things, plus the everlasting importing of American political talking points, Canada could very well become as inhospitable for queer people as anywhere in the US. In NB, Higgs is already gearing to use the “parents rights” anti-queer dogwhistle as his main campaign issue for the next election. My friends and I have all been called groomers by anti-queer protesters, some have even had their pride flags ripped away from them and stomped on.
Sorry this comment kinda got long and ranty. TL;DR: Shit sucks for queer people in Canada and will quite possibly get much worse very quickly but I still think we’re better off than Texan queers (for now).
Varies a lot by region. Out here on Vancouver Island you can see it in microcosm. Still, I would be curious about teasing out stats on how different.
My impression from relatives in even Alberta would (anecdotally) seem to back this up. Edmonton would be fine, but Lloydminster maybe a little rough.
I’d say come live nearby especially if you make adirondack chairs. But the housing crisis is everywhere. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/how-one-corner-of-nova-scotia-s-eastern-shore-became-an-unlikely-lgbtq-haven-1.6936773
As a furry, the “litterboxes in the classrooms” thing would be funny if it weren’t for the fact that A) it’s not just a couple nutjobs, somehow people actually believed it, and B) they actually exist to a certain extent, but not because of “trans-animal” kids; some schools have them so kids have a place to piss during a lockdown (like a shooting).
It’s not uncommon for the community to have memes about furries showing up in textbooks, the furry illuminati, furries in high places, we’re taking over your schools and making them cringe, etc, because there are a number of us with “mystery money” and/or have odd jobs. Like, there are furries who are CEOs, furries who are scientists, tech furries, and furries who are just normal joes, working normal jobs as educators, accountants, etc. So “litterboxes in schools” would normally fuel that form of humor if it weren’t for the fact that the circumstances around it are so fucked up.
My comrad in crisis, no one in Canada can afford houses anymore. High chance they are just impoverished renters.
Hmm, that actually tracks with what I see in real life, but it’s pretty impressive. I guess that’s also why we have massive household debt.
Nobody is affraid to come out anymore, this in isn’t 1950, spare us your drama.
Translation: I’m self-centered and arrogant enough to believe my personal experiences have taught me everything I need to know about the personal experiences of others.
You sound like a Republican.
Hey guys I found the straight white cis guy who doesn’t believe he’s got privilege
How can the government just overstep on Canadians’ first amendment rights? Don’t they know what the US founding fathers stood for? The right of Canadians to say whatever they want to whomever they want without fear of any consequences!!!1!
It’s hilarious most of them don’t know that this country has a charter of rights and freedoms, not the American constitution.
They’re considering adding it to the curriculum because an embarrassing amount of Canadians think they’re under the American constitution.
The first amendment you say? They’re still salty about the formation of Manitoba out of the Northwest Territory?
Other right-wing accounts variously reacted by describing the move as Orwellian, lamenting the death of free speech and even contemplating leaving Canada for good. Some rejected the authority of the court altogether while others questioned if the judge herself had “something to hide.”
Funny how they think free speech is dead. I’m sure the there’s a pretty decent overlap between these idiots and the people standing in front of Town Halls and region headquarters whining about vaccines, kickdowns, and Trudeau with 0 repercussions.
These dumb fucks need to stop crying about “free speech” and start crying about what it is they really want - the ability to be degenerates and knuckle draggers without any repercussions.
I openly invite all these morons to leave Canada for good. We don’t want them. Nobody wants them. Go! Move to Antarctica where maybe the penguins will put up with your dipshittery. Maybe we can set up a GoFundMe to help them afford the travel cost out of here.
When the right wing says, “free speech” they actually mean, “hate speech without repercussions”. Free speech is a right wing dog whistle.
This is Canada, they have different laws around protected free speech. People don’t realize that the US is basically the only country that has these super broad free speech laws written into the constition.
This is illegal in the US too (defamation per se). The main difference is that the US requires a higher standard for public figures (proving actual malice i.e. that they lied knowingly and maliciously).
The US Constitution does NOT have super broad free speech protections; a violent activist SCOTUS has simply granted overly broad protections to fascists and their radio shows, also protected by a radicalized right wing FCC for almost half a century.
Broad as defined by the standard around the world.
“A violent activist SCOTUS”
You heard it here folks… Washington DC is terrorised by the John Roberts gang.
Are you literally so stupid as to think that leftists (especially the ones that argue for violence) don’t also benefit from broad free speech protections?
I am sure that they do not. They are not allowed in news channels. They have House resolutions passed against them. They have had their shows barred from the airwaves and corporations given the right to both slander and censor them.
And the SCOTUS is, in fact, a violent entity, using it’s unchecked power against the American people under the fraudulent guise of morality. They are violent and should be met with equal violence, including removal and imprisonment and financial liability for all the women.they have caused direct physical harm and death to.
Technically Canada (and most other Liberal democracies) have similar freedom of expression (which includes speech). Where the difference lies between Canada and the US is in the Canadian Charter of Rights’ structure vs. the US Constitution’s structure.
In the US, “Freedom of Speech” is the first amendment, and as such (as I understand it) stands largely on it’s own as an enumerated right. Unless it intersects with another Constitutional provision, or with the interpretation of the text of the first amendment itself, it’s otherwise unlimited.
In Canada, Freedom of Expression is provided for in Section 2 of the Charter, but Section 1 provides for the limitation of any of the following rights and freedoms:
The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.
I Am Not A Lawyer, but the legal framework for testing Section 1 laws is call the Oakes test, and the language in this article bears the hallmark of justifications of the application of Section 1:
In its decision, the court found Webster’s statements failed a basic “public interest” test since “perpetuating hurtful myths and stereotypes about vulnerable members in our society” does not represent speech anti-SLAPP rules are “intended to protect."
I would assume that since this was an attempt to dismiss a lawsuit using Ontario’s anti-SLAPP law, that the motion to dismiss was overruled because the anti-SLAPP laws were in line with promoting a Free and Democratic society.
Also there is Section 33, the “notwithstanding clause”, which allows for the temporary suspension on just about any of the rights by the legislature, but that’s not relevant here, ans is fairly rarely used (except in Quebec).
Good. Every time they bs without evidence, it: Destroys the credibility of legitimate claims & can cause serious reputation and mental harm to the accused. Should be criminal
Ayup. I’ve seen and heard tons of people speak favourably in supporting the death penalty and castration and rape of child sex abusers. So to like someone to a child abuser when so many of the general population believe in heavy violence against them is absolutely putting people at risk.
Look at paedophile hunters who hound and harass people on the basis of little to no evidence and look at the damage they’ve done to people’s lives. Morons won’t think about whether a gay person is actually grooming a child, they’ll act like a bull with a red flag in front of them.
