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I really hope they introduce a year of social service. No matter if military, police or healthcare, everyone should experience what it feels to serve society at least once.

An interesting aspect I didn’t think of so far was recently brought by German news influencer LeFloid: It adds people to the mix of police and military that wouldn’t normally be there. The far-left tend to avoid them, while the far-right embraces them. This creates a dangerous imbalance between left and right views in these structures and opens up room for radicalisation.

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Correct. (Only it goes both ways - the left do get influenced by that mix during their service.)

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Terrible Idea - in Austria many young men do a 9 month long social service instead of military service and many often get treated like shit.

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Oh yea I can’t wait to be jailed and fined if i don’t want to be forced to serve for free a country that destroy the environment to mine lignite and sell weapons to saudi arabia.

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I’m totally against the military part. It’s just elite people deciding on the lives of people that are not in power. And when the time is right, they’ll take away your freedom of choice and mandate you to join a war. My body my rules.

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You can’t have a country without a military to defend it.

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That’s why people join the military voluntarily and get paid for it. My statement was only against forced military service.

Anything mandatory generally is ridiculous and counterproductive. By forcing people to do community service won’t necessarily make them better citizens either. E.g. in South Korea, a lot of people got a trauma from it because (extreme) bullying is very present there. There’s a good documentary about it.

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Fuck that.

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Cool idea, but in practice the left leaning weren’t serving in the military. They were usually taking the civil service route or trying to avoid both by faking disabilities.

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Since taking office at the beginning of 2023, Defense Minister Boris Pistorius has been thinking about ways to make the Bundeswehr more attractive as a career.

No amount of money or benefits will ever make me a government’s boot licker. Sorry, not sorry

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Maybe you personally. But money would actually solve all their problems.

All they provide today is a shitty job with bad pay and no future prospects.

They are not finding enough soldiers because all these soft modern young adults are too selfish for that job, just like companies find no employees because those spoiled brats are too lazy to work. Obviously none of it has to do with not providing reasonable payments of course. So forced labor is the the proposed solution.

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It sounds like you earn too much, or you are projecting. Maybe both. Also, I hope you’re better than them and have already joined the military.

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Sounds like you didn’t get what they are saying…

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Yeah, sure… I am “projecting” personal experience in the Bundeswehr two decades ago. It was already a shitshow back then with only those with no job prospects anywhere else considering to join (outside some special and very limeted numbers, using their time there to study… but that’s not the bulk of soldiers). It went downhill from there ever since.

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So what is the alternative? Let any authoritarian asshole who has managed to convince many boot lickers to join him, take over your country?

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16 points

cold war 2.0 is as shitty as the first one

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TIL they had that.

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Austria still does

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This is the best summary I could come up with:


Since taking office at the beginning of 2023, Defense Minister Boris Pistorius has been thinking about ways to make the Bundeswehr more attractive as a career.

As journalist and defense and security policy expert Thomas Wiegold told DW: "A major frustration in the Bundeswehr is the bureaucracy.

When Pistorius floated his ideas about conscription in December, he faced a barrage of criticism, including from within his own center-left Social Democratic Party (SPD).

Party co-chair Saskia Esken said it would be impossible to implement mandatory recruitment on an ad hoc basis “because the training units required for this are no longer available.”

“The reintroduction of compulsory service would be a serious encroachment on the freedom of young people who want to orient themselves professionally,” FDP parliamentary group leader Christian Dürr warned in an interview with the Funke Mediengruppe.

“Who would have thought around two years ago that the Bundestag would decide on setting up a special fund of €100 billion for the Bundeswehr against the backdrop of a Russian war of aggression?”


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