One of Donald Trump’s lawyers appeared to accidentally admit that the former president may have engaged in insurrection.

Christina Bobb, a vocal 2020 election denier, tried to argue Tuesday night that voters should be able to elect anyone they want for president.

“The president is elected by the entire nation, and it should be the entire nation who determines who they want for president, whether they are guilty of insurrection or not,” Bobb said during an interview on Real America’s Voice. “It’s up to the people.”

Bobb seems to be arguing that even an insurrectionist should be allowed to run the country, which could be seen as an admission of guilt.

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What a dumb article, who came up with the angle on this piece of shit?

“She said it doesn’t matter if he’s an insurrectionist or not! That means she knows he’s guilty!” is some literal schoolyard logic.

What we should be more concerned with is:

  • She doesn’t seem to understand the 14th amendment
  • She doesn’t seem to mind an insurrectionist running the country
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Right. Also, what is meant by “entire nation…should be up to the people”?

If we are jumping to conclusions, this might as well mean getting rid of the electoral college and the unequal representation it enables via gerrymandering. Considering republicans haven’t won the popular vote in something like 30 years, I’m for it. Let the people decide…all of them.

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Funny how now it’s the “entire nation” that elects the president and not the electoral college.

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Especially considering he lost popular vote, twice.

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Here to say that the title is factually inaccurate. The argument being made is a hypothetical generalization and does nothing of the sort. Trump is definitely guilty of insurrection, but the editors of the New Republic are guilty of clickbait and malpractice. Shame!

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Yeah that was garbage. She’s an idiot but that statement is an admission of guilt in the same way that SpaceX makes boats.

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SpaceX made a bunch of boats.

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Oops

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Rhetorically speaking, however, you want to limit where the conversation goes. In a debate or, perhaps, a philosophy paper, you might want to head off any avenues of argument before your opponent has a chance to bring them up. Here, just saying it raises the very question from a rhetorical standpoint and creates doubt in those listening.

So you’re completely right. At the same time, this was a bad move by the lawyer unless their new tactic is to change the narrative to “insurrection doesn’t’ matter anyway amirite?”.

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I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what they’re explicitly saying… I feel like there’s an equally clickbaity title that could’ve also been accurate along those lines

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“The president is elected by the entire nation, and it should be the entire nation who determines who they want for president…"

Hmm yes please, lets abolish the electoral college so that presidents are in fact decided by the entire nation collectively and equally!

Never thought i would agree with a Trump lawyer…

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“The president is elected by the entire nation, and it should be the entire nation who determines who they want for president, whether they are guilty of insurrection or not,” Bobb said during an interview on Real America’s Voice. “It’s up to the people.”

When was the last time a Republican won the popular vote?

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2004, Bush’s second term. Which, electorally speaking, wasn’t that long ago.

Of course the 2016 and 2000 elections both saw Republican candidates win the presidency, but not the popular vote.

The 2000 election is also special since it came down to a judicial decision and was a 0.5% difference.

The 2016 election however is more clear, since it was a 2% difference.

Also keep in mind this had never happened before. So 2000 was when we should have started to take action, but since every election after (until 2016) it went back to normal, it made 2000 look like an outlier.

Which is all a long was of saying https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact is probably the answer here.

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2000 was a coup.

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It’s telling that no member of the Supreme Court was willing to put their name on that decision.

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W in 2004.

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