Business As Usual
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A “hypocrisy” type meme with two images:
Top: photo of a military squad, all geared up, standing ready next to an armored vehicle. Caption: “Germany against scientists sitting in protest for climate”
Bottom: photo of a bunch of military personnel playing while wearing clown makeup. Caption: “Germany against farmers wanting to lynch government members because diesel subsidy needs to be cut”
At the risk of being downvoted, I will try to explain what is the difference.
The farmers and their union planned and informed the Police about the protests with time in advance. The menure and the demonstrations might not be part of that but I do not know. Germany does respect the right to protest.
On the other hand, the climate protesters did not share their plans with the police and caused some property damage. But more than that they put themselves in danger, as some of them glued their hands.
I’m all in for the climate as well as for the farmers.
Property damage vs. planning to assault a human being… I wonder what is worse
The Last Generation does that too, you know? They call ahead and inform Police and Fire department over their actions. They simply don’t wait to be allowed to demonstrate because why would they? The Government simply ignores them and their demands to stop killing us all slowly.
Where some of the fatmers protests announced yes but by god not all of them. Some town were completly cut of by trucks and tractors without notice. Doctors and Nurses werent able to get to hospitals they in some case didnt let the police trough which is amazong on so many levels to me.
Electric tractors are not there yet and they are not free, I’m in for not letting the farmers live in poverty. Inflation and the current state of things is not good for them.
The farmers’ lobby is one of the largest and most influential in Germany. Farmers made an average operating profit of more than €80,000 in 2021/2022 and received a total of more than €40,000 in subsidies. So yes. Simply capitalist lobbying.
even as a german i dont understand this meme? diesel subvention is good for the farmers?!?!? A tractor doesnt work with just hot air?
Or does it meant Germany against farmers wanting to lunch government members, because they cut diesel subvention?
I dont know the facts but the meme doesnt make sense for me XD
We have shown no regard for climate protesters (progressives) and remove them by force wherever they show up, because we can’t have them threaten the status quo.
Meanwhile our fucking farmers, being sustained by substantial government money against all reason, throw a hissy fit when the government has to cut it unexpectedly because our supreme court decided that the world dying of climate change is not enough reason to take on a bit of debt and denied their budget.
And we let them.
Being frankly, support local farmers is important, specially with all the uncertainties of climate changes. I also think that governments should help and incentivize criation of alternatives, just increasing the diesel price would not make a farmer use a hoe instead. For me this kind of solution is just government not helping at all but putting the weight in a specific groups.
I’m all in against lobby and things like that but we need strong governments leading the energy transformation, not the private sector, specially weak markets like farming can’t do this alone, only large landowners.
There was a funny post on reddit about a family of farmers calculating their worth, trying to justify their hissy fit, turns out they make more than most of us and have significant wealth in property value and ability to have substantial passive income if they didnt wanted to be farmers anymore.
I try to buy local produce too to reduce climate impact. Tax imported foods then and use that money to subsidize local farmers if really necessary, but I would rather see them modernize instead of being kept afloat by taxpayer money.
It’s a tricky subject because objectively, shipping food that could be produced locally from the other side of the world is basically an eco-crime, and degrades our quality standards. Then, throwing endless subsidies at local farmers (who, turns out, have a notably higher standard of living than the average German already) isn’t appropriate either.
In my opinion it comes down to the fact that farming / food production shouldn’t be left to the private sector (nor should infrastructure, natural resources, healthcare and industrial means of production, but that’s veering off topic).
the right side of this bar chart: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-023-01605-8#Fig3
I don’t know about Germany, but in the Netherlands people also kept giving that “no farmers no food” argument even though we produce much more than we actually eat. Most of our food is for export.
Imported goods from far away countries, that gets delayed because the climate protestors blocked the road. And this in a endless cycle.
I mean supporting our local farmers benefits both, the environment and the people around them with jobs.
With the “progressives” arent they called “klimakleber” if so i have no regards on them too, blocking roads for cars or even emergency services i have no tollerance on that, they are literally killing people with their behaviour.
We all know that there is a climate change, but with that behaviour no one will ever do anything, because like said just the name is saying everything.
No one has been doing anything before the klimakleber, so if all they lead to is no one doing anything, that’d still be fine.
But in reality it does help. More extreme forms of protest shift the point of reference and as such help other forms get taken seriously. Even if I have mixed feelings about it, ultimately it’s probably a good thing.
Also to my knowledge the Klimakleber have always left space for a Rettungsgasse…
Regarding the klimakleber, obviously they should let emergency services pass. However, what else do you think they should do, if not peacefully be inconvenient? Everything else is already illegal here, or has no reach.
The situation is dire, our ecosystem is collapsing and everyone under 60 right now is very likely to feel the dramatic consequences of that. We need to make drastic and uncomfortable changes in our way of life and economic system to prevent the worst, and people do not want to hear this, they just want to go on. If there is one thing Germans fear it’s change.
Both are blocking the roads. One protest is regarding our all future without personal gain, the other one is about profit margins. Both are blocking the roads, all the same
Klimademonstranten werden von der Straße gezerrt weil Sie versuchen uns am elendigen verrecken zu hindern. Bauern die in Landwirtschaftlichen Betrieben im Schnitt mehr als 80.000€ GEWINN (nicht Rohgewinn, nicht Umsatz sondern ECHTEN GEWINN) machen und davon mit mit mehr als 40.000€ subventioniert werden regen sich auf und bekommen sogar noch Verständnis weil Sie minimal weniger Subventionen bekommen würden. Dabei wurde von den Kürzungen schon wieder einiges zurück genommen BEVOR die Proteste anfingen. Dazu kommt das diese “Demonstranten” Habeck am verlassen einer Fähre gehindert haben, versucht haben diese zu stürmen und ein Gesprächsangebot von Habeck einfach stumpf abgelehnt haben. Was auch immer die machen wollten, reden war es ja scheinbar nicht.
(Bild weil Statista einen manchmal einfach die Statistiken nicht sehen lässt.)
Sure, here:
Fossil fuel subsidies (lead to more GHG emissions): https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/Articles/2023/08/24/fossil-fuel-subsidies-surged-to-record-7-trillion
gap in work to stop GHG emissions: https://www.unep.org/resources/emissions-gap-report-2023
Why is your name red in the voyager app. Blue is for the OP but never seen red
I’m more concerned about the clown make up. I’m pretty sure using clowns against civilians violates at least 3 dozen conventions of the Geneva accords…
