they scrubed there no ip logs policy years ago
ProtonMail was not even against cooperation with the RuSSian terrorist government, and this post was still downvoted, funny.
Have you already decided whether privacy is important to you or not?
My understanding is that the email is encrypted still so… they hand over the encrypted data which might be useless.
(CEO did a podcast this week for a Linux podcast)
I suppose they now keep logs of their VPN service too then.
Swiss law doesnt allow complying with VPN services afaik.
ProtonVPN and ProtonMail are completely seperate too.
Do you mean the law doesn’t allow forcing the VPN service to comply with VPN log requests by authorities?
And what do you mean by “completely separate”?
Proton VPN… is operated by the Swiss company Proton AG, the company behind the email service Proton Mail.
@sqgl @ReakDuck
From what I understood :
Under Swiss laws, VPN providers are not forced to log anything.
They also can’t comply with orders coming from a foreign country if not approved by Swiss authorities.
If someone is put under surveillance, he/she have to know that.
However, always remind that that’s just the law, not what is technically possible. If you’re considered as a real threat for an important country, neither Switzerland or any country will protect you.
My threat model is not LE, its google, facebook, etc. If me using privacy services happens to make LE’s job harder well thats just the cherry on top.
Tangentially related information… this post led me to check on how many data requests Google receives from law enforcement (internationally). The answer is about 420,000 requests in 2023 (if you take the most recent data from Q1 and Q2 2023 and double it).
The question then becomes, how much more users does google have than proton
I did think about this but a mail service like Proton is going to attract proportionately more attention from the authorities because its users are going to be made up primarily of people who are more privacy/security focused (perhaps with something to hide) so having user numbers is not going to be that helpful in terms of doing a comparison. Also Google has a bit of a fake account problem, and a lot of people have a Google account only to enable them to access Google services (Android, Google Docs), and some people have multiple Google accounts.
