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This is garbage data. Learn the difference between revenue, gross profit, and net profit.

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Teach me papa

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Ok. $36 biliion consolidated net revenue reported at a 16% profit margin for fiscal year 2023 still leaves $5.76 billion in money that went somewhere after everyone was paid, taxes were avoided paid and all approved expenses were handled.

Edit: adding source https://investor.starbucks.com/press-releases/financial-releases/press-release-details/2023/Starbucks-Reports-Q4-and-Full-Year-Fiscal-2023-Results/default.aspx

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WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDERS??? HOW CAN THEY SURVIVE WITHOUT THEIR (checks Starbucks earnings sheet) $4B IN NET EARNINGS???

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Yup.

The point is, you don’t have to use misleading data to tell compelling stories. Use the real data. The net profit of ~$5 billion is still enough for a healthy raise for their wage workers.

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Revenue does not mean gross profit. Gross profit does not mean net earnings. The numbers this person posted is the money the conpany gets before any operation costs. This means this is how much the product sold regardless of how much it costs to produce, package, ship, r&d, worker cost, etc. This meme has to stop its poisoning your brains

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These numbers are gross profit. A quick search would verify this for yourself.
You seem to misunderstand what gross profit is because you decided to make a weird word salad.
Gross profit is the profit a business makes after subtracting all the costs that are related to manufacturing and selling its products or services.
So the numbers are relevant. It’s not worker wages that are the driving inflation. It’s not government handouts driving inflation. It’s corporate profits that are driving inflation

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Gross profit is NOT how much money a company makes after all costs. This is the basic misunderstanding. Here is an example

Kraft Heinz Quarterly Revenue

2023-09-30 $6,570

2023-06-30 $6,721

2023-03-31 $6,489

2022-12-31$7,381

TOTAL: 27.161B

Kraft Heinz Quarterly Gross Profit

2023-09-30 $2.235B

2023-06-30 $2.261B

2023-03-31 $2.113B

2022-12-31 $2.364B

Total: $8.973B

Kraft Heinz Quarterly Net Profit

2023-09-30 $262M

2023-06-30 $1,000M

2023-03-31 $836M

2022-12-31 $890M

Total: 2.988B

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/KHC/kraft-heinz/revenue

For clarification, I’m not saying I’m against increasing labor pay. I am just saying the numbers used are misleading.

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You’re misinformed.
Please provide a source for the definition of gross profit.

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But only some numbers. Apple’s, for instance, is net profit from what I can see. Heinz isn’t. I haven’t looked into any more of them, but they’re just inconsistent.

Crappy posts like this bug me so much because it makes “my side” look like we’re full of shit. There are mountains of true and verified facts to support the conclusion that workers should be paid more and corporations are ruthlessly greedy.

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What do you mean? It says they are profits right in the picture. Maybe read the thing properly before you condescendingly explain what revenue and profits mean?

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7 points

They used the wrong profits to justify how to give more money to workers

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The picture is using a mix of revenue and gross profits, as far as I see no net profits. Gross profit is revenue after cost of goods, but without accounting for the cost of running the business. In starbucks’ case it likely means “this is how much we brought in revenue, minus the cost of the coffee, syrups, etc.”. They still have to pay employees, leases, etc. before you actually get to surplus or net profit.

According to this, their net profit for 2023 was ~$4 billion. Giving the same argument with that number is a little less profound.

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before any operation costs

paying employees a wealth generating compensation should be an operational cost, my friend.

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Different kind of cost metric

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Ah yes, the famous Walmart, having 2 times the profits of Apple but costing 5 times less in stock.

The picture totally makes sense, no questions asked.

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The OP data is wrong, which you probably already know. Apple’s net income (AKA Profit) for 2023 was ~$96B while Walmart’s was ~$11B. Walmart is the largest corporation by revenue but retail is a low margin, high overhead business. Their operating costs are much higher than Apple’s.

Also, as another commenter mentioned, share price is not linked that closely to profitability. There are other factors that influence the share price. Hell, share price isn’t even tied that closely to it’s actual value. See “Book Value” vs. “Market Value”.

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Stock price is not inherently tied to profit. That is why p/e ratio exists. Also different industries can have different p/e ratios. Not even this holds though. Tesla’s p/e is OOM more than Toyota, but Toyota has higher profits and sells more cars.

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Record amounts of lemmings have no clue about economics, lol.

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Profits are unpaid wages. Where do the profits go if not to the workers creating the value?

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Ahaha! Oh my…

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5 points

I mean most people don’t, but please elaborate

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What do you mean by this, by the way? Dead thread now so no stakes, but still interested in how your take is different, because I haven’t heard this opposition from anyone before.

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  1. Most companies have “record profits” while having the same profit margins as before. That doesn’t mean they’re greedy or whatever, that means people are buying more shit than ever.
  2. Many companies had a few tough years before yet no one was posting about record loses.
  3. These profits are going into YOUR pocket at the end of the day. Because one way or another YOU are the investor. You should be happy when companies are doing good.
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Never heard of profit margin? Just asking.

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Market Capitalism is essentially a means of separating the workers from the machines and resources capitalists declare private property,

Market capitalism means people who do nothing but sit back and exploit people get most of the profit because they say so, which they then use to exploit more, despite providing no labor in making or provision of the products or services they get the vast majority of the net profit of, which leaves the laborers that actually keep the world running perpetually struggling and market capitalists wealthier and more detached from the plight of their fellow man day by day.

You literally defend the resource hostage taker’s demands.

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23 points

You just told everyone that you don’t know math.

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If you think what’s happening is normal profit margin then you’re not paying enough attention.

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16 points

Hurr durr juSt aSkInG

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