With Reddit shutting down its API setting a precedent in the corporate tech world (and Reddit was a major outlier in that a ton of their users are technical minded and support third party clients, YouTube does not have that kind of userbase and will not get backlash for it), Twitter doing whatever the fuck they’re doing, and Google already hellbent on destroying ad blockers, the days of Newpipe, Invidious, and Freetube are numbered. Wouldn’t be surprised if they implement Netflix level DRM tomorrow that makes alt clients impossible. I say savour your alt clients while you can guys, you won’t be able to soon.
NewPipe at least already doesn’t use the API, it scrapes the website.
… Which it just occurred to me might be one of the reasons Google is pushing that web integrity thing. Dang.
All the web integrity thing would do is force them to use a specific client when accessing YouTube to scrape their site.
Putting shit out on your publicly accessible website enables all who access it to download anything you make available there.
This is just regular cat and mouse.
If my YouTube experience goes away, my hobbies will get some tlc. My reddit experience barely faltered with my transition to Lemmy
We’ve been through all of this before and we’ll go through all of it again.
All the web integrity thing would do is force them to use a specific client when accessing YouTube to scrape their site.
The problem is none of the attested browsers will let you to use them in this way.
We already have DRM for video on the web. I believe it would be a similar problem to getting WideVine L1 content from e.g. Netflix in an open source app.
Ask me why I invested in Vimeo.
But seriously, it will just make competitors thrive.
I’ll pay for a nebula subscription before I sit through a single YouTube ad.
Invidious doesn’t use YouTube’s API. It merely requests content from YouTube either directly or through a proxy. So, I don’t think it’ll disappear forever unless the developers stop working on it. It’s probably gonna be a game of cat and mouse where YouTube figures out how to break Invidious, and the devs keep finding a workaround.
But pretty much in the same way as the YouTube’s frontend requesting content from YouTube’s backend. This is an equivalent of you loading a video on YouTube then going to developer tools and copying links from the Network tab. AFAIK all tools (Invidious, Piped, yt-dl) work this way.
Yes. The problem is, it’s easy for google to break it again and again and again. I think we should just end Youtube
The more we use Odysee the more will it seem like a valid alternative.
Personally I watch videos from the creators that have mirrored their YT channel to Odysee.
I don’t think there’s anything fundamentally different about Odyssey than YouTube. They’re both private companies. Odyssey is just in a growth phase. And YouTube is in Post Monopoly face. If Odyssey becomes very popular I see them acting exactly like YouTube acts.
Switching to the growth phase companies is one of the few options we have though.
I’m sure you are right in that after a few years of success the next private company will too enter the money grabbing phase.
That will open the market up for yet a new contender still in the growth phase.
Round and round we go.
I suggest subscribing to YouTube via RSS (yes, YouTube still has an RSS feed for channels and playlists). I’ve been doing this for years and it works great. You can use your RSS reader or an add-on like Livemarks to discover the feed.
If you subscribe via RSS, you can then easily substitute the feed URL for any other platform, if the creator happens to upload their content to platforms other than YouTube.
Even though the videos are hosted on different platforms, you still have a single feed in a single location with all new videos thanks to RSS. You’re also able to manage a “watch later” list with your RSS reader.
Frankly, I’ve had it with band-aid solutions like alt clients. Gonna say it now: if you claim to be a FLOSS/open web supporting creator and you’re still exclusively using YouTube, you obviously value revenue over FLOSS or open web. Yes I’m gatekeeping FLOSS/open web with that statement, but corporate tech is actively trying to destroy both, and if you side with them, why shouldn’t you be called out for it? Don’t have to quit YouTube IMO, but at least mirror on Peertube if you care.
I’m subscribed to 94 channels on PeerTube and get barely one new video to watch every 2 days. This is both a problem that the people just don’t post anything but also that for some reason new videos just don’t show up even if I subscribe to them, that especially happens with TILvids channels for some reason.
Also here is the very short list of PeerTube instances I found which are not about conspiracy theories or nazi shit:
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/floss-and-foss.en.html
Don’t let Richard Stallman hear you unless you want him to interject again…
all of these are scrapers, so they will work unless YouTube gets rid of its web version
Or if Google implements some kind of feature that requires your browser to vouch that it’s not gonna play shenanigans with the page.
Nah, nobody would be that crazy.
I think they mean something like widevine a la Netflix. Granted there are bypasses for some levels, but that could be a problem imo, iiuc that’s why there aren’t any alternate frontends for Netflix or HBO. I think that would also potentially mean issues playing YouTube in chromium or firefox on Linux if they used L1 (not sure what the current state of widevine on Linux is, last time I had Netflix I couldn’t watch on Linux and had to use my phone or Chromecast)
Google isn’t going to kill YouTube’s API any time soon. It’s how billions of videos are viewable in apps and pages across the internet. They make far more money on that than any lost revenue by people using third party apps. Shutting down API access would be one of the most impactful events to the internet in history. Major lost viewership and advertising revenue coupled with extreme consumer backlash. Most devastating would be developer backlash, as they would all need to scramble to find alternatives.
