No Canadian companies involved in a shortened workweek trial intend to revert back to a five-day week, new research from 4 Day Week Global shows.

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What’s never clear in these sorts of articles is if there was any reduction in salaries, or increase in working hours. Like are people going from working 40 hours a week to 32 with no change to their paycheck? Or are they getting paid 20% less? Or are they still working 40 hours, just over 4 days instead of 5?

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The 4 day work week is based on the idea that people are more productive with less time to goof off. Work 32 hours for the same pay and you should see the same or better outcomes. So likely the case is yes

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I know that’s the idea, but I can’t imagine a lot of companies being eager to effectively pay their employees the same for 20% “less work”. I know it’s a good idea, I just have no confidence in companies. Just look how many of them forced people back to offices during the pandemic despite the safety, cost, and productivity benefits of working from home.

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Not 20% less work, 20% less time.

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They are doing more work in less time (and are happier) the tests show.

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I’m just guessing based on what I’ve seen elsewhere, but I think it’s fewer hours with same pay. I don’t think the pay could be less or people wouldn’t want to stay with the company, as mentioned in the article.

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My employer was not part of this trial but has been doing this since Spring 2022. There’s been no increase in hours/workday or decrease in salary (and in fact, I got a raise—I think most people got at least a COLA).

We ran our own trial and the results are honestly even more positive than I would’ve thought myself.

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Exactly, which makes me wonder what the article is pushing. It could just be bad journalism but theses days anything like that has some agenda it seems. Two weeks from now we will see an article declaring Canadians as lazy because we don’t want to work 5 days a week. This is all hyperbolically of course, but truth is stranger than fiction these days.

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If some companiea can offer fulltime or hybrid WFH to have an advantage in getting employees, some others will.offer 4 day workweeks to be competitive with other companies. Canada can start the trend.

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It would help if the governments did it… but I can’t see them being a leader on this one because of the optics.

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Government treats public servants like shit because it’s popular to do so. Nobody wants to believe their tax dollars are going toward somebody having a good job when they themselves don’t have a good job.

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Crabs in a bucket.

Most people fucking suck.

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help if the governments did it

You’d be interested to know that was the sticking point on the recent Fed strike.

And they got it.

I know dozens of people working on unionized government work who were WFH 100% since CoViD day, and haven’t been back. Desks were sold/scrapped, leased released, space repurposed. Onsite are a handful of people, usually rotating assignments, for things like shipping/receiving, and the WFH language is baked into the latest contract there too.

The gov people ARE making progress.

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I wish I were that hopeful but I dunno I don’t really see it starting. I’d love to be wrong though.

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Is this

  • cheesy 4-day weeks where it’s 4 days x 10 hours; or
  • real 4-day weeks where it’s 32 hours a week and no reduction in pay or production?

I’m gonna read the article now, but I’m really expecting to be disappointed. 4-day workweek isn’t about job-sharing; it’s about realizing the same output with longer weekends and everyone getting the same pay for the same output.

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Article unfortunately doesn’t specify.

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My boss just mentioned 4 day work weeks… with the same amount of hours, I said that the idea is less hours, not the same hours crammed into less days and he absolutely refused that that is what people mean with 4 day work weeks…

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I’ve been discussing this, lightly, on and off for a couple of years know, and most workers can’t wrap their head around the idea, either.

“They’ll never do that for us,” says the class the owners are completely and totally dependent on.

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Your boss is dumb as a bucket of rocks.

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You’re, uh, replying to the wrong person.

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To be fair to your employer, he may have conflated two different kinds of 4-day work weeks.

The current discussions are mostly about 32-hour weeks, but there is a very long history of what labour law calls the “modified work week” in which the number of hours per day or days without breaks are changed to allow for alternate scheduling without triggering overtime. I’ve worked 4-10s, 8 on 6 off, and other oddities since I entered the work force in the early 1970s.

The most common of those is 4-10s, and it’s always been known by that name (4-10s) or 4-day week, or “4 and 3”, with “4-day week” being the most common in my experience.

I know that my own following of this issue makes it clear that there are a lot of people confusing the two different kinds of 4-day weeks.

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Yeah… it’s definitely gonna take some time to get employers on board.

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Any list of companies? I would send in a resume. Especially if they are also fully remote.

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