This is great, they think it is a 4d chess(*) move they pull on people. They think it both outs people who take offense and preselects your friend group for people you can convert into neo-nazism. And anybody who takes offense gets to look like a crazy person and leaves.
What actually happens is that people don’t always react to your slurs directly but certainly talk among each other, this will close doors for you and cause people to deprioritize you as a friend. You will just get invited less and ‘forgotten’ by people (unless they suffer from the geek social fallacies, but geeks do talk to each other about those), you will get the reputation as the n-word guy, and people will warn others about you, like you are a broken stair. It also creates a culture of shittesting your friends and regularly testing your friends to see if they match up with your ideals or are ‘good friends’ is a very toxic way to instill paranoia in yourself and reduce the amount of friendships and professional opportunities you have. So I’d suggest he carries on with it, ow sorry ‘his friend’.
*: it is 4d chess, in a sense that he made up his own rules, they are way more complicated than needed, don’t actually add anything compared to normal 2d/3d chess, and by playing a different game than the rest of the world you are actually just making illegal moves which ensure people will not play with you anymore. Confusing a social game for an intellectual game.
E: forgot to ask, who is this dweeb again? Answered my own question: Ow wait it is Putanumonit
you forgot the last stage of the evolution,
you’ll later find out that people were talking about you, your actions, your words, and that being ghosted was in fact the consequence of your actions, and then you’ll have one last opportunity to turn it all around
- do some self introspection and reconcile what actually happened vs what you intended to happen, and decide that it is in fact possible to create relationships without trying to meta discomfort them for your purposes specifically
or
- wokeism is the reason, so this time you need to be even MORE obnoxious, to filter people out who would talk behind your back even strongester! (repeat from the top of your flow)
It also creates a culture of shittesting your friends
btw, remember how Duncan Sabien wrote about how cool it was to casually hit people playing “punch buggy” without prior agreement, because his good friend Brent Dill convinced him it was good to do
I do not, or at least I don’t always remember specific names. (I also forgot who the guy was who had this epic LW style breakup with his gf, that was a legendary post), but yeah that is a bit toxic. In a way it reminds me of the ‘strong men create bla bla times’ memes and the fremen mirage of how acting like barbarians creates a tough character which can conquer your local Rome equivalent “sir, this is a Wendies, and if you hit our server one more time you will be banned”. Prob also related to early open source techbro ‘say whatever you want with no filters’ culture, which even Torvalds now realizes was a bit of a mistake. A bit of Survivorship bias, if only there was a community of smart people to teach others about biasses. ;).
I do not
‘say whatever you want with no filters’ culture
aka ‘say whatever I want with no filters’ culture
I keep coming back to this. I’ve been thinking about the internal monologue that necessarily had to happen to get here.
“Speech taboos exist.”
- normal reply: “Yeah, words only have meaning due to baggage; some words carry heavier baggage, making them taboo in ordinary conversation.”
- this fucking guy: “Words shouldn’t be taboo; that’s irrational.”
“People end associations and friendships based on word choice.”
- normal: “Not hard to imagine.”
- TFG: “There is literally no reason to end a friendship over word choice unless the other person doesn’t let you use slurs in casual conversation.”
“The best way to get to know what ideologies someone subscribes to is by dropping slurs in conversation.”
- TFG: “Yes, and it’s really important to test the ideologies of strangers in the most flippantly casually offensive way possible, which doubles as a great first impression. You will look alpha as fuck by using slurs.”
- normal: “Huh, haven’t had an intrusive thought like that in a while. Where’d that come from?”
“It’s ok to say the n-word as long as you don’t think about race at all and never with any negative sentiment.”
- TFG: “Yes, this is the extent to which CRT needs to be taught in schools. Then we can teach rationality and run IQ tests.”
- normal: "OK I really need to see my therapist; maybe it’s time to try Wellbutrin."1
1: this post not sponsored by wellbutrin
it certainly is, my dude. it certainly is
For those that don’t want to look it up and are ok with a potentially incomplete version:
Apparently it’s when someone (in PUA context, a woman) says, does, or demands something disingenuously to see how you react to it. My guess is that there are PUA doctrines about how to react and detect this sort of thing.
As is a PUA framed thing, it’s probably a way for someone to dismiss any boundary setting behaviour as gaslighting, which is ofc fucked.
This is how I understood it, when women ‘shit test’ a man it is to see if he is an alpha or not. It is an absolutely toxic mindset which will lead to weird dudes interpreting absolutely normal behavior (“hey Bob, it is your turn to do the dishes as agreed” “No Sarah! I will not do the dishes, you do it you <slurs>”) as shit tests. When men do the shit test it is to show how alpha and not constrained by social conventions they are. or something like that. To show the value of their genes to the women.
But yeah, it is pretty bad that the LW-community has taken up these kinds of terms.
(Edit: changed the wording a bit here, for some reason I started my first sentence different than I wanted to start it, my bad, I meant to explain how the concept is gendered (at least from how I got it, and yes pua stuff is very hetro), no idea why I messed up the start).
@Architeuthis I had to google PUA term, but it al makes sense now.
LW always had a bit of a toxic PUA problem, if you are a bit familiar with hbomberguys youtube (and if you are not, you can just stop reading now and save yourself the time), you might have heard of his ‘what is it with you guys and skulls’ joke, starting from him mocking the weird Davis Aurini guy he actually had a LW account for a while. Sure he was not active for long, but he was active at the start, the rot goes quote deep in LW (seems a lot of the Aurini LW stuff has not been scrubbed), but they always had a weird fascination for PUA stuff, that is also why Scott wrote published the anti-heartiste faq (the who? just a neo-nazi pickup artist, well known enough in the LW community to need an anti-FAQ (and yes he stole his name from the bdsm book Story of O. Very clever, he read a book).
Just like neo-reaction, pua stuff is an amazing rabbithole of toxicity to go down which has had quite the influence on our culture. Without heartiste (who if I understood everything correctly was the main intellectual (lol) driving force in that community after the game was released) there would be no Andrew Tate for example (and this also shows the neo-nazi and ephebophilic roots of the modern movement (There was a period most of them pointed back to heartiste as their thought leader, which is why the anti-faq was made, he was the steelman position to attack)).
What makes this heartiste thing worse is the fact (looked it up) that him being a raging racist was already well knowin in 2013, and the FAQ was written in 2014, but Scott still posted it and talked about heartiste “in a spirit of sincere collaborative truth-seeking”. Introducing many more people to this toxicity.
I think it’s great when assholes enthusiastically identify themselves. Saves me time. MAGA hat? T-shirt with some kind of bigoted “joke’? A shit-test from this moron? Thanks for letting me know that you’re not worth any effort at all!
I really like how he specifies he only does it when with white people, just to dispel any doubt this happens in the context of discussing Lovecraft’s cat.
