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American opposition to the convention stems primarily from political and religious conservatives.Ā For example,Ā The Heritage FoundationĀ considers that ā€œa civil society in which moral authority is exercised by religious congregations, family, and other private associations is fundamental to the American orderā€

No surprise there

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The US did sign and help to draft it, but to ratify you need a 2/3rd majority in the Senate. And the conservatives in Congress want domestic control over all law making and enforcement.

This could be an international treaty against punching kittens, and they would still vote no.

Edit: Itā€™s also worth adding that a) this (like US law) has carve outs that allow kids to work under certain conditions, and b) this isnā€™t a labor specific treaty. This covers corporal, punishment, criminal punishment, education, gender, and sexuality, healthcare and a number of other things that are hot button issues for American conservatives.

Also, after this was drafted, the US has ratified international agreements on child labor.

Saying this is just a labor thing isnā€™t the full story at all.

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Donā€™t forget child brides. Theyā€™re still legal in many states of the US of A.

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This could be an international treaty against punching kittens, and they would still vote no.

Plus McConnell would never ratify a treaty that outlaws his favorite pastime.

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The kittens are under anesthesia when theyā€™re being punched. Itā€™s very humane.

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For similar reasons the Tories in the UK want to throw away the current Human Rights Act.

You know, just in case it has too many rights, and they want to remove some later.

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It has been claimed that American opposition to the convention stems primarily from political and religious conservatives.

Shocking.

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The US barely ever ratifies treaties that require international oversight. Itā€™s the same reason we have the UCMJ and not the Hague court.

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Because America believes itā€™s an exception and above everyone else.

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More like the US would rather keep its territorial integrity. They have the ability to deal with violations in house, no need to have international boards be used against us.

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They have the ability to deal with violations in house

riiiiiiight, no bias at all in that. Hey, we investigated ourselves and found we are not liable to war crimes we commit abroad. how bloody fucking convenient.

Good job at giving Russia an excuse to be free of consequences when it finally loses in Ukraine. Theyā€™re probably going to make a case that they donā€™t need to have international boards be used against them too, no?

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You canā€™t expect any country to take the international court seriously if you donā€™t do it yourself. The logic that youā€™ve just used is exactly the kind of logic that countries would use that donā€™t want to be held accountable for their actions that go against international law.

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These high-minded treaties donā€™t actually mean anything - thereā€™s no enforcement mechanism and countries with a much worse human-rights record than the USA have signed them without consequences. IMO itā€™s better not to sign them than it is to pretend that signing does any good and lend unearned legitimacy to those other countries.

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The treaty itself does not have any enforcement mechanism; however the US does. US courts recognize ratified treaties as having equal weight to laws passed the normal way Ratifying the Treaty would immediately make it federal law. The US has a robust enough legal system that the courts would the (over years of building up case law) determine exactly what that means.

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This.

A treaty is a three step process. Draft, sign, ratify. This made it to step two, not step three for the US.

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This perception arises from the fact that people think signing and ratifying are the same thing. They are not.

A treaty needs to be ratified to be legally binding, and ratification takes 2/3rd of the senate to OK it.

The executive branch signs international shit all the time, but they canā€™t get it through Congress. Which is why recent treaties lack teeth.

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Ah yes the oft-used American Exceptionalist attitude of ā€œweā€™re too good to bind ourselves to treaties like thisā€.

Tale as old as time. Itā€™s why the US isnā€™t a member of the ICJ and many other international treaties. Kingā€™s donā€™t follow rules - they make them!

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The US is a member of the International Court of Justice - every country in the United Nations is. Are you thinking of the International Criminal Court?

Other than that, my answer is ā€œyes but thatā€™s not a bad thingā€.

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acab and the u.s. is the worlds police force for hire. it tracks.

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