Michigan Gun Violence Prevention Summit begins ahead of gun reforms going into effect.

[Lt. Gov. Garlin] Gilchrist spoke alongside other gun violence stakeholders, including Maya Manuel, 21, a student advocate at Michigan State University’s campus where a deadly shooting killed three students and injured five others on Feb. 13 [2023].

Gov. Gretchen Whitmer last spring signed several gun safety bills, but they don’t go into effect 90 days after the Legislature adjourned, which makes them effective on Feb. 13 — which happens to be the first anniversary of the MSU shooting.

“This is an opportunity for us to prepare to challenge those who are comfortable with people dying of preventable deaths in the state of Michigan. I am not comfortable with that. Gov. Whitmer is not comfortable with that,” Gilchrist said.… “On the flip side … somebody was."

Honestly? As much as I truly hope these mandated safeguards help to curb gun violence, firearms are so ingrained in American culture —unlike almost any other world —that it’s going to take a seismic cultural shift in attitude to see a magnitude less of disgraces like the almost-daily mass shootings in public places, to avoid horrors like this child who shot himself in the face, unfortunately just another one of the many instances.

Call it low-hanging fruit, say it’s obvious, but it needed to be said, Lt Governor…

“Every single death by a gun in Michigan and America in the world is 100% preventable,” Gilchrist said. “That means that we have the power to stop all of this death in all of our communities — no matter what community you live in. No matter what the shape and spirit of gun violence looks like. No matter whether it is suicide or homicide, they are all preventable.

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Start with cops.

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So glad sanity prevails.

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They’re called Security guards and they also get shot. Nobody listens to them either unless they get barred and become police lol.

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“Imagine not having this shit figured out” - rest of the world gang

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Not literally every single one of them, but we know what she probably meant.

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I wonder if you (and other commenters) actually read the post/article.

  • “Every single death by a gun… is preventable.” As the kids love to overuse these days, literally. Barring freak accidents, guns don’t fire themselves.
  • I wasn’t aware Lt Governor Garlin Gilchrist identified as “she.”
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Nope. Not in the real world it’s not.

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Yeah I for one hate when I’m out in nature and a wild gun jumps out and shoots at me

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That’s it. You win. 😄🤝

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How so? How is it inevitable in the real world? No snark from me, I’d like your take on the matter.

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They would kill them with something that is not-a-gun.

That being said, I do believe a lot fewer people would get murdered if there were no guns. But it wouldn’t be 0.

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I disagree, you see so often things escalate to pulling a gun and getting shot. If people only had bare hands… few punches in the face is generally enough to get the anger out that doesn’t result in someone dying

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Think about your first statement. Now think about murdering somebody. Go on, you know you want to. To make this thought exercise easier, let’s say it’s a “crime of passion.” If it happens outside of the home, how exactly would you go about murdering this person? Shooting someone, once the psychological barrier of actually doing it is surmounted, i’s just so easy. With a knife, it’s a whole 'nother process, both psychologically and also physically. It’s hard to knife someone. And further down the line (bludgeon, physical assault) just gets more difficult if you don’t have the element of surprise.

Of course it wouldn’t be 0, as you state. But it wouldn’t be what it is today with sane restrictions in place…kinda like most of the rest of the world. Sorry for the length of this reply.

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You’ll never effectively convince people to unanimously give up violence. And unless you’ve figured a way to uninvent the gun it’s a lost cause with no chance in our lifetime.

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Yeah every argument of this form is the same: “why have laws against something if people won’t follow them 100% the time? Better to have no laws against it, then.” Doesn’t make any sense.

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That’s quite a stretch there from “every gun death is preventable” to “unanimously give up violence,” although it’s a noble sentiment…to which you’ve immediately admitted defeat.

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Sure it is. Guns require fingers to fire. Therefore, every single person who fires a gun made a conscious decision to fire it. They also possess the ability to not fire the gun, thereby preventing the gun death.

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And in the real world not everyone is working towards the objectives needed. The is all hyperbolic cheerleading.

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Who’da thunk it? Really?! You mean there are people who would knowingly and intentionally fire upon another person or other people? Get outta here!

On my planet, we call those people psychopaths or criminals…which is just different degrees of the same thing. On my planet those “not working towards the objectives needed” are part of the problem and not part of the solution.

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Except in the real world where places like the UK and Australia have banned guns and have it work really well.

Both the UK and Australia haven’t had a mass shooting since 1996, which was when they both decided to ban guns after the Dunblane shooting.

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There are still murders in those countries. The headline implies that the deaths themselves are 100% preventable, which is false. Yes, some people might not murder someone with a knife, axe, poison, whatever, but likely other means would be employed if guns weren’t available. Additionally, illegal guns would still be accessible to some people. So realistically no part the headline is accurate.

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“But Australia got rid of their guns!”

Australia is an island that is pretty far away from countries run by cartels that make their money shipping contraband across the border.

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It appears you have a problem parsing simple sentences. For your convenience…

“Every single death by a gun is 100% preventable.”

You, like others here, seems to confuse “death by a gun” with death or murder in general. I, and most likely Mr Gilchrist, didn’t think the concept would be so hard to grasp. As I said in the original post, though…

…firearms are so ingrained in American culture —unlike almost any other world —that it’s going to take a seismic cultural shift in attitude to see a magnitude less of disgraces like the almost-daily mass shootings in public places, to avoid horrors like this child who shot himself in the face, unfortunately just another one of the many instances.

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From your previous posts and replies I’m not entirely sure you live in the same “real world” the rest of us do.

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