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I mean, who was searching for that before the game released? I imagine you’d see the same trend with basically every game immediately following release. Not to downplay the issues the game has having, but this is like a “duh” kind of thing.

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The number of people playing Suicide Squad has grown infinity percent since the games release therefore I personally think it’s a success.

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Did they do preorders for the Early Access version, as well?

Sorry… I’m gonna stop giving them ideas. Things are bad enough already.

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They did, yes. Getting pretty common these days. Early Access with a preorder of a higher priced digital edition of a game. Seems relatively harmless to me. I would never pay for that, but I think if it means that much to you, it’s not hurting anything.

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I feel somewhat the same on single player, but this is competitive GAAS, and they knew exactly what they were doing when they did it here. People who do this seriously already know every map, every spawn and every weapons characteristics within three days. (I’m wrong about this see below) This is simply another pay to win mechanic for the kind of people who play 12 hours a day, reach max rank in three days and hunt rookies who didn’t spend the extra money to play early.

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I have been corrected and apologize for the mistake. It is not competitive and that mostly renders my point moot. I’m leaving this here for posterity.

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No one wants “games as a service” or always online games,.

These companies get what they deserve

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What about people who want to play multiplayer games? Like, when I play Counterstrike in a ranked fashion I sort of expect the service part… Same for games like Overwatch, Valorant, Dota, League, etc.

I feel like you’re missing a clarification of “No one wants Always Online or GaaS in single player or coop titles”?

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I’d prefer it release with modding tools so the community could make maps and skins. I’d also prefer it to release with the ability to host my own server. I also don’t give a shit about meaningless ranking. All this shit is a poison pill for me.

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Every game should have this tbh. A lot of the big genres and games in recent years came from literally this. Modern mobas and battleroyals come to mind .

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When I played counter strike I expected no such thing. If I wanted skins, I could go get them for free on csbanana. I expected nothing more than a game and a dedicated server client. The rest was provided by the community.

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Well yeah. Games that are inherently multi-player and not split screen and feature an aspect of matchmaking are obviously fine to be always online games as a service.

Although personally the games-as-a-service model is something I avoid even in those. Overwatch was made objectively worse when it went from the buy-once model to the pay-once-a-season-or-you-dont-get-the-new-hero model. Mauga is completely busted right now and every new introduction of a hero since 2 launched has felt exactly like this-- busted while paid-only players have access and then fixed after the free players get a chance.

It’s the model. Squeezing money out of players is slowly killing even multi-player games like Overwatch.

It’s completely and utterly unacceptable for single player games.

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Pretty much any GAAS MP game would be better as a self-hostable game. Even ranked matchups can work well that way.

Games are designed around GAAS not because of the design of the same, but the profit model. GAAS is there to sell cosmetics and whatnot.

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Hmmmm no, no one wants always online on anything. Why should you ever have a piece of your property that has no use without an internet connection?

At the very least, you should be about to play against bots offline.

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Well, I’m sure there are plenty out there that do want multiplayer only games.

Personally I avoid them like the plague. I would love it if Valorant, overwatch, etc came with a single player campaign that could be played offline, or an option to play against bots.

I hate people. Especially random competitive online people.

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I think if you own a copy of Counterstrike, you should be able to play offline

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Rocksteady took the game entirely offline to fix a devastating bug that would lead to new players receiving 100% completion of the entire game without having done anything.

LOL

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I am simple man. I see Early Access, I ditch game entirely.

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Lots of great indie games stay on Early Access for a while and end up becoming amazing games.

But yeah, for an IP this big, early access is a red flag.

Edit: I’m realizing now that you probably meant it as in “paying more to play the game a couple days early,” and not the Steam definition of “releasing an incomplete game while you continually update it.”

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I think it’s the latter, I don’t see how having an option to get access sooner would encourage anyone to avoid a game.

I prefer to avoid the latter definition of early access because I don’t like playing unfinished games. I’m guessing that’s what OP meant.

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Except Suicide Squad wasn’t released in that way. Maybe you’re not aware of the recent trend by AAA studios to make playing a game a week or so early one of the pre-order bonuses. People are just confusing things by using the already established “early access” label.

I interpreted it as: people had a chance to play it before release, and realized it sucked, and then told other people online that it sucks, who then changed their minds about buying it.

There is a difference between: an indie game being sold as Early Access on Steam, a situation where the buyer is completely aware of the state of the game, and might even be interested in participating in how that game develops going forwards; and a shitty incomplete AAA game that’s being sold as a complete experience for $60-70. I don’t think I should have to explain why they’re different.

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I meant the latter. Satisfactory is still in Early Access 3+ years later. I doubt it’s even the most egregious.

Good or not, you’re saying it’s unfinished when you do that.

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I think others were referring to the fact that Suicide Squad was playable a few days early by people who preordered. It definitely wasn’t in “Early Access” in the way Satisfactory is. They’re two different concepts, and people are just confusing things by calling the relatively new phenomenon of letting people play a AAA game early by a term that already exists in the gaming space.

Regardless, indie devs that choose to release a game as “Early Access” (as in the Steam model) have made a decision to offer the admittedly incomplete game to players for a reduced price, and then including those gamers’ opinions into the development of the game. If you buy an early access game and you’re upset that it’s not finished, that’s 100% on you. When you get an early access game, you’ve accepted that the game isn’t complete. That’s part of it. That’s what you paid for.

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There are some stellar early access games. Valheim for example.

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That sucks. Many EA games have great content before being released fully. If you like the state of the game its fine to buy it. With Suicide Squad it was obvious the game would be bad though

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launch bugs are what they are, but I’m mostly disappointed to hear of how little people are enjoying the actual game when it’s functioning as-intended. I loved the arkham series and the flowy, beautiful combat it has. Between it and the very similar middle earth games, I’ve put in hundreds of hours of counter and dodge focused ass-kicking, and I was hoping for more in a universe that I actually quite like.

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