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Yeah, but I think I have like half of those devices in a desk drawer.

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Why? I have had the same phone for the last 5 years.

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Because people (like myself) do that with their old phone to have a backup that’s not horrifically outdated but that isn’t actually needed day to day

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36 points

85 % probably have outdated firmware.

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That number probably higher. However that changes nothing as we can’t control proprietary firmware blobs.

Honestly there is no way of knowing anything about the security of those blobs. Firmware vendors can do whatever they want.

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The list of devices on Replicant OS is old and short. Proprietary blobs are a big issue for Android.

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Why? I don’t understand. Doesn’t it have any update mechanism for that?

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They mean that the device manufacturer and or hardware vendors are no longer putting out updates for the proprietary blobs.

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I dont know if it even has to be proprietary. Vendors need to sign the firmware too.

Yeah, really bad.

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It’s a really nicely built OS, well documented, and the install process is streamlined as much as possible (with detailed instructions).

I really hope we can get enough attention and support to this project (as well as others like it) for it to get mainstream.

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for it to get mainstream

It will never get more mainstream than this.

Lineage has been the go-to ROM that beat every other ROM in active users by one or more orders of magnitude since the beginning of Android. Everyone that cares a little bit about custom ROMs knows what Lineage is, and if they don’t they will recognize its previous name CyanogenMod.

Average users are never going to care about custom ROMs because it’s not worth the effort for them, so why would you care about making LOS more mainstream?

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Welp, TIL it’s just CyanogenMod and you are correct, turns out I did know of and use it a decade ago.

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More people using a thing (in this case I mean FOSS more than LOS specifically) influences the market, companies start to notice and may even be forced to adapt. Large private monopolistic ecosystem are really bad for everything.

It would make things easier for smaller brands to enter market as well - like what Raspberry/Banana Pi but for phones.

Also the official list of supported devices (wiki.lineageos.org/devices) has a super easy install process. Mainstream would mean more of these (eg the latest flagship Samsung supported is S10/Note10). And expanding this list would make a huge difference in addition - not everyone that knows about custom ROMs is tech savvy (or just wants a stable OS with OTA).

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And this is also only the official list, there are unofficial ports for much newer Samsung devices like the Samsung S20 FE

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because adopting open source software is a societal good? the idea that it won’t grow is kind of bleak. the industry standard for android device OS is dogshit for user privacy and a private monopoly and that’s something we should want fixed. unless you like living under constant corporate surveillance.

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I never said I didn’t want it to get popular, I just think there’s no point in trying to spread the word about its existence… because the problem is not in people knowing about its existence. The problem is that most average phone users will not find it worth the effort to switch to LOS, with the risks that come with it (banking apps not working half the time, upgrades sometimes needing a data wipe).

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I wish I could use it but it’s only supported on few phones that tend to be more expensive and older.

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I use it on my old Pixel 3a to play livestream bird feeders for one of my cats.

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And did your Pentester find any vulnerabilities yet? XD

📱🐈‍⬛

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Does it still work otherwise? Pixel 3a user who may or may not watch birds. And cats.

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Oh yeah, it’s fine otherwise.

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I always wanted to try it, but my bank wont let me login if I’m not on on the devices OG OS, I used to run Custom ROM until that started to happen.

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Meanwhile, the OG OS has more vulnerabilities probably

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Yes so freaking annoying

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Try the bank’s web site. Companies all push apps to harvest all your data. Very few compute services actually need them.

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There are workarounds:

Install magisk, add the app to the zygisk denylist before first run.

Install universal safetynet fix and magisk hide props config (modules for magisk).

For some apps, you may have to install them in island so that they can’t detect the magisk app.

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You need play integrity fix instead of safetynet and just activating zygisk should be fine on latest magisk.

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Thanks. I have a pretty old install so my module list is a relic of the time but it makes sense why it still works for me. I’ll edit.

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SafetyNet is deprecated on newer versions of Android

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There are new solutions constantly developed such as PlayIntegrityNEXT. With some effort you can get rooted Android 14 device with custom ROM pass Play Integrity attestation.

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Sounds like you should switch to a credit union.

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And when it comes to apps, credit unions aren’t always better… In fact I’ve noticed they almost never are.

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Why do you need an app for banking…?

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That’s besides the point. We don’t know why OP needs to bank with them.

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Yeah I was suggesting really any bank that doesn’t have asinine requirements, I just default to credit unions since they are better for clients.

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