There is always butthurt about him. He’s a normal user and folks can’t cope that Linux desktop is a mess for the average user.
XXXX year of the Linux desktop.
Linux is fantastic for running shit. It’s pretty terrible for most normal users to use.
Linux is fantastic for running shit. It’s pretty terrible for most normal users to use.
Skill issue.
Imagine insulting someone who said “this sucks for normal user” with get gud 🤣
Absolutely fantastic. We’ve really gone full circle.
Apparently being responsible for your own computer is too much to ask. It’s not so difficult to manage a linux install. In fact, its much easier and smoother if you are willing to become familiar with how things work. But whining that linux OS broke like Linus Sebastian from LTT when you can’t read and take responsibility is like complaining that the car didn’t save you when you crashed a manual honda civic expecting it to perform like a autopilot car. Its asinine and illogical.
We all grew up with windows and became familiar with it as that was the only choice. To insult linux and its users just because you want 100% perfection from an OS people build as a hobby for free is quite ignorant and entitled. If you don’t like linux stop commenting on programming forums.
The year of the linux desktop for me started in 2009 when I first installed ubuntu and it has been the year of the linux desktop for me since then. I have learnt to fix flaws in my system. I know what its limitations are. I don’t expect linux to fix all my problems. But i certainly do recommend it to newbies even if it might frustrate them. I expect them to take it or leave it. I don’t insult their intelligence by assuming they definitely need handholding.
Microsoft poured several billions by now into windows and it’s only getting worse day by day. If you suggest that Windows is best for daily users then it is clear that you’re just insulting people’s intelligence instead of uplifting them.
It’s absolutely fine for most normal users, the exception being people that need to run proprietary software that only runs on windows
That’s a significant portion of people. Anyone using an Adobe product, playing half of the top 10 games on steam or using any proprietary hardware is basically locked out.
“Using any proprietary hardware”
Yeah, wrong. Free drivers have been written for most hardware. Maybe except the absolute newest because we haven’t had enough time. But if you’re buying the latest and greatest hardware every time it comes out, you really ought to be looking at the waste you are producing.
I think its just a matter of taste. I’ve used Linux for a long time and I will choose GNOME or Cinnamon over anything any day.
I also appreciate that I don’t need a online account and everything I do isn’t being analysised.
The telemetry thing got really out of hand. Me spending more time on blocking shit instead of actually using the OS… sorry, but I’d rather invest that time in learning something new than trying to circumvent things that shouldn’t be there in the first place.
Not to mention Windows constantly battering you to sign in and to buy office 365.
It’s not a mess. If you install an appropriate distro, say Ubuntu or Linux Mint, the average user would be just fine using it. Judging it based on installing it is being disingenuous. The average user isn’t installing an operating system, Windows or Linux. You know OS installation gets handled by someone that knows what they are doing regardless of what OS it is.
Reeally depends what you consider for normal use. If you just plan to use some office programs and network without being required to use ms format then what not love there. You often even have thr office programs preinstalled
Many people here are using Linux desktop as their normal PC without any issues, for years. I have been happily gaming on it for about 8 years. You probably don’t know how Linux desktop is for an average user nowadays. Our retired parents are using it too.
What part about normal did you miss? The folks on lemmy are about as far from the average user as you get.
You are getting downvoted, perhaps users don’t like to be called “un-normal”.
It is very clear that by normal you meant average.
Lemmy and Linux users should be intelligent enough to understand the context of your initial message…
Linux desktop nowadays is not a matter of having above average computer knowledge, it’s a matter of habit. People/companies used Windows because they are used to it so it seems easy, but it’s not actually easier than noob friendly Linux. As an illustration many of us made our children or parents use Linux, it shows how easy it is.
My kids use Linux. They are 5 and 7. They do just fine. They are “normal”… as in just beginner users.
The 5 year old only cares where Steam is, and where the games are in the menu.
The 7 year old is a master at it all already. He’s installing Minecraft mods all the time… downloading, unzipping the mods… running java -jar XYZ from the terminal… yeah I had to show him the first time, but TBH, I didn’t show it all to him. He read up on how it works and watched YouTube videos on it.
It’s all about what you’re used to and if you’re actually interested in learning the bits. Normal is what? Someone who treats the computer as an appliance? Yeah… with those users as long as the machine actually works… they don’t care what the underlying OS is… OSX? Windows 11? some Linux distro? It’s all the same to them. The computer is a magic machine that does things and they have no clue how or why.
Define “Normal”.
Linux is fantastic for the low end user that really needs a calculator and a web browser. It really only has pain points for people in the mid tier that don’t understand technology, but have to use it a lot for work. It’s a big old bell curve.
🙄 oh God here we go with not understanding tech.
You can understand technology and dislike Linux DE. It’s so condescending.
Hmm you seem to denigrate people for not understanding tech while seemingly giving up your privacy and $100 for Microsoft.
Do you understand not being ripped off?
If you understood technology, you would explicitly know why tracking within windows is dangerous. Either way. Its not a very good look for you.
🙄🙄🙄
True but most people are in that middle group of users. I thought my mom would always be below it, so I set her up with Ubuntu and showed her how to open the web browser. But it wasn’t long before her siblings were suggesting she install a mahjong app to play with them, or goofy camera filters for their video calls. After being reasonably sure they weren’t spyware, I still had to break the bad news to her: “Sorry mom, Windows only.”
She’s currently running a refurbished ThinkPad with Windows 10 pro.
It’s not terrible, it’s unfamiliar.
I for one find the mess of workarounds to make Windows tolerable very unintuitive. And scouring the web to find an installer for a program.
I learned young and became a power user of GNU/Linux. So I’m familiar with it. Way more than I am with Windows.
If people learn on Windows well into adulthood, then that’s what they’re going to be familiar with. The challenge is getting users to accept that things will work differently. It’s not a technical problem most of the time anymore, but a familiarity one.
I think if more people learned about the importance of software freedom (like being able to take a program to any programmer like a car to a mechanic, no nasty behaviour, etc) a lot more would at least try to familiarise themselves with it.
Linus Torvalds himself also said this and basically positied he thinks Valve will be the company that brings us to a working desktop ecosystem by deciding on a universal desktop app packaging format.
I saw a video recently about the history of x11 development from retro bytes on YouTube and it is pretty much exemplary of the nature of open source development. I think I understand this whole conundrum a bit better.
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Linus is just a windows fanboy, just like i am a linux fanboy
Reddit has such a hard-on for LTT, but I’ve found their videos kinda insufferable for… 10 years? Then after the GN/heatsink selling (sorry fans, ”AUCTIONING” …) I knew they were poo.
I mean…if I thought it was obvious, I obviously wouldn’t be asking. What seems obvious is that you’re deflecting because you don’t actually have an answer.
From every linux related ltt video or wan show I’ve seen. My personal favourite is probably a video about AtlasOS, where he presents modified windows os with many security vulnerabilities and makes some comment like “who needs linux when you have this!” (not actual citation, dont remeber exact wording, feel free to check it out)
LTT is hidden advertising, and there is no money for that in Linux.
I missed the part where you provide sources/reasons for your allegation of crime?
I’ve blocked his channels, so I can’t give recent sources. But it was VERY clear he ignored AMD graphics for years around 2014-2018, until when they began to advertise, they suddenly got attention. Also it was very clear that when Intel stopped their program to support reviewers, he did a 180 and was suddenly VERY EXTREMELY negative on everything Intel. Coinciding with when AMD began to advertise on his channel.
Just pay attention if you use his channel, and I bet you’ll see it very quickly too.
Yep, Gamer Nexus ripped Linus a new one recently. Linus only talks for money. Well proven by the Billet Labs scandal among many others.
Have you noticed how Intel is doing so much worse than AMD pretty much across the board though? Maybe it just reflects reality :)
You can look at the stock chart for a quick summary.
Here you go.
Have you actually seen the video?
It in no way talks about “hidden advertising”.
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Most of the “tech” youtube world is based around presenting mostly useless consumer products as it was technological advancement.
Most of their SAAS advertisers could be replaced by a “docker compose up”, hardware ones, most of the time are just regular tools with one or two gimmick.
The way to get money advertising on linux is by misleading business people into getting useless enterprise services.
You are off your rocker if you think most saas products can be replaced by docker 🤣
There is a big gap between you running jellyfin in your basement and securely and reliably maintaining services.
SAAS is a scam developed by venture capital to make their otherwise nominally profitable tech gambits able to bilk clients of cash on a scale not even Barnum could fathom.
Is there 🤔? I’ve seen things in production you wouldn’t believe. Rigs from the stone age, a 30+ year old DEC still running their version of UNIX and people saving files on tapes. Why? It’s how it has always been done 🤷. A firewall/router configured back in 2001 (no one’s touched it ever since). An Ubuntu 12.4 install running a black box VM that no one knows what it’s actually for, except that it was needed back in 2012 for something related to upgrading the network… so don’t touch it cuz shit might stop working.
Trust me, I’ve seen homelabs that are far better maintained than real world production stuff. If you’re talking about the 0.2% of companies/banks that actually take care of their infrastructure, they are the expection, not the norm.
reliably maintaining services
it’s funny that you use that as a selling point.
In my experience almost no outage happens because hardware failures. And most outages happen because bad configurations and/or expired certs, which in turn are a symptom of too much complexity.
Entreprise services are there so client companies have someone to blame contractually if there’s an issue instead of themselves, that’s very valuable.
Wouldn’t advertising laptops that have Linux pre-installed work for that? Also niche hardware like the Raspberry Pi 5 for example
Not if they don’t advertise, and if they do, it’s so little I never saw it.
Hidden? It’s pretty fucking opaque. The point of most videos is to explicitly talk about whatever item(s) is about (CPU, GPU, cooling device, chair, tons of accessories, etc), he mentions lttstore at least once per video, and explicitly calls out sponsors.
Which advertising is hidden?
Fuck Linus and his shitty company. Greedy cunt.
Yeah it rubs me the wrong way when he treats his workforce as his personal tech peasants by getting them to do ridiculously luxurious upgrades at his house.
Sure they get paid but he’s often getting stuff free or discounted from sponsors installed by his employees essentially for free as he gets to claim their wages as a tax discount all so his primary school aged kids can have their third $5000 gaming rig so they have a computer on every floor of the house.
Personally I would tell him to get fucked, it’s insulting to his employees.
I’m sure those videos do make significantly more money than they cost though. People are definitely clicking on them. And he also does expensive sponsored upgrades for (a few of) his employees. Of course he does do a lot more of those for himself though.
He makes fun of his employees so much tho when visiting their home. Bruh you don’t pay them enough for their homes to be 10% as nice as your own douchebag!
Also lots of those “upgrades” are things that wouldn’t have happened at all, if it weren’t for a video. And seeing how much fun the workers have in those videos, I find it quite unlikely that they feel insulted doing them.
Also, did we forget that the ultimate tech upgrade is a thing? The series where the workers get quite beefy upgrades to their very own homes, and it’s not even limited to pc’s. Linus even personally painted at least a couple of the workers walls lol, so I’m pretty sure “the workers being held as peasants” is quite far from the truth.
Even though I don’t really dabble in Linux anymore. I lost all my respect for him. No, not due to this post, but the GN/Billet Labs situation, and especially the Madison situation.
That and it rubbed me wrong when he went into small businesses to buy them out, only to ridicule all their product for being useless garbage.
The owner was obviously happy to be rid of the old stock. They knew it wasn’t moving. It is tech waste for a majority of the western world. Yes that stuff is still useful in other places arithe world, but it’s just not particular to have it in a shop in urban Canada. The owner was obviously a good sport to play the games the video and expressed gratitude to be able to sell a bunch of stuff.
You’ve missed some social cues or are looking for any small thing to pounce on. Go touch grass.
I’m not disagreeing with you. I saw that the owner was happy. I may have missed these queues, as I am not great at being social. I am looking at the deeper meaning. I am looking not at the actions, but what it represents, which is the fact that this teaches kids that they can buy people, and be happy in a world of commercialism is all. To me this is wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXBzBFxe00o
He goes into one of those dingy old PC stores that have walls crammed with dusty products that haven’t been sold in like 15-20 years and buys everything, even turns it into a bit of game with the owner where they roll a giant foam or play darts dice to see if he’s going to pay ridiculous prices for some of the products. Like many of these boxes are literally early 00’s tech that never moved and was just sitting there.
To be offended over that video is utterly ridiculous and it’s clearly all in good fun with the owner, who gets to avoid making a loss on stock he should’ve thrown out decades ago.
He’s talking about a video where Linus went to a local tech shop. The products in said shop were… very old gen, Linus made some fun about it. He bought everything that was in the front of the store. That way the store owner had money to buy stuff that’s current gen and useful. A bit of a nostalgia trip
You mean the situation where a young zoomer with no work experience claims things without any proof?
