78 points

Says the guy who refused to do GOP primary debates.

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46 points

Debate Nikki Haley first, chicken 🐔

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I hate this entire topic.

For one, I feel like debates are usually very important, but in this specific case, we have two candidates who have already served as President. There is no chance to learn anything about these candidates from a debate.

Not only that, but they debated before, and it was an absolute shit show. But we’ve already seen them debate. It’s hard to imagine what benefit we’d get from repeating that mess.

And Presidential debates have been useless for decades now. They get asked a question, and if the question has any bite to it, the candidates just ignore the question and try to make soundbites from partial speeches that they prepared ahead of time about any adjacent topic.

Trump bucked that trend by not being prepared, but just being an asshole and talking stream-of-conscious gibberish over all of his opponents. Biden more than held his own last time, but it seems to me that he’s become more soft-spoken lately. I imagine just from appearances, it would seem like loud-mouthed Trump would come out on top this time. But being a loud-mouth is not really what makes somebody a good President.

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Honestly I’m fully in favor of this. Biden’s gaffes are much more understandable when they happen in context, as opposed to clipped sound-bites or reported by your favorite source of bias.

He should get in front of the camera more, not less. And he should do his practice debates, not with a debate-coach, but with a talk show host. Like, Jimmy Kimmel, Bill Maher or John Oliver or someone.

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He should get in front of the camera more, not less.

Agree there, but hard disagree on him doing it on a debate stage with Trump. Maybe if presidential debates were held like real debates with an impartial moderator who had to be followed, but they aren’t. They’re a chance for politicians to talk or yell over each other. They’re useless most of the time and especially useless when Trump is involved.

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15 points

He did fine last time. I think Trump has deteriorated more than he has.

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Did fine by what metric? Because it’s really not about cognitive abilities to debate. I just don’t see a good reason to do it. It sounds like both a waste of Biden’s time and a chance to give Trump ammo by ignoring ever crazy thing he says but putting every gaffe Biden makes into a supercut he plays at every rally.

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How about debates that are actually debates, moderated by an independent and not partisan entertainers? I’m no fan of Trump but those are all strongly Democrat supporters. If you’re trying to sway independent votes, biased moderation sours the desired audience.

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Maher is pretty centrist, actually. Dude is straight up anti-mask, for instance. He has quite a few conservative positions, he’d prob be a repub if they weren’t batshit insane these days.

And, reread my comment, since I haven’t even mentioned anyone moderating. That one came out of your brain, not my comment.

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Yeah that’s true about Bill Maher. My mistake was actually vision related though. I can barely read on my phone screen. I’m usually on a large monitor with everything oversized. But I can’t always have access to it. Practicing with talk show hosts is an interesting idea.

I still stand by my take on biased moderators though. If I watch a hostile interview on Fox I root for the person they’re against. If I watch a hostile interview on MSNBC I root for the person they’re against. They’re all shit but in very different ways, mostly. They’re all sold out to the ultrarich so they have that in common.

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And he should do his practice debates, not with a debate-coach, but with a talk show host.

He never said they should moderate the debate.

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Anyone want to take bets on Trump backing out as soon as Biden takes him up on the offer?

This feels like Elon trying to get that boxing match with Zuckerberg then pussing out on it when Zuckerberg accepted the challenge.

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I bet one lemmy penny that he does a debate. He got out of the republican debates because he was the clear winner, but no federal election debate would show weakness and that would be bad for his brand.

I also think the debates will be an absolute disaster for all parties involved which will benefit trump as his side doesn’t care what he says or does.

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